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Do you hold infants to the same charge?
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Probably the only way is to just not make as many of them as they do now.
I doubt half the prescriptions the doctors give out are really warranted.



I'm not sure what the number of unwarranted Rx's are but I know we can't do without them until something else is developed that is non narcotic. There are far more persons who are not addicts, who do not become addicted who do definitely need narcotic pain pills, I have been there several times and without them, well I just might kill for them! It is a choice and for many it still seems even when educated they can get caught up, I've seen so many post op patients start that way, having left over pills from surgery where they start popping them for every little ailment, then doctor, urgent care, ER hopping to buying off the street, they are what we would call "normal" people with normal lives who never dreamed it would happen, especially the older folks. They are cutting back on manufacturing, most pharmacies keep little stock and are ordering per customer have to per customer, some Rx's are being refused when the pharmacist recognizes a "pain clinic" MD's. My surgeon gave me one Rx of 30 and one of 20 after my hip surgery, enough to last ten days and I was absolutely miserable, same with my sister and cousin, patients with that kind of surgical pain shouldn't be cut off when there is no history of abuse.
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I have codeine pain pills that were prescribed to me and I refuse to take them unless my pain is preventing me from sleeping. I take maybe one a month. I consider them dangerous but sometime necessary.

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They are dangerous and I've always taken less than what was prescribed to the point of serious break through pain and I've always known when to quit. Seeing other people addicted to them scared me half to death. Unfortunately it is not a lack of education but the ability of those patients that think they've got it handled when they don't which is true for all addicts but especially those on pills that have a valid prescription.
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Probably the only way is to just not make as many of them as they do now.
I doubt half the prescriptions the doctors give out are really warranted.



Patients can judge whether they need them or not even if doctors misjudge the situation. That's not a job for a big, mistake-prone government to decide ahead of time by restricting the drugs too much.

Drug use is always a matter of personal responsibility, not the responsibility of the government.
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Do you hold infants to the same charge?



No. I was referring to people who choose to use drugs.

People who choose to use them are responsible for doing so and also responsible for knowing how to safely use them.

Narcotics can be used safely like anything else that is potentially dangerous if used incorrectly. Part of the problem is that this society promotes the idea that the drugs are the problem rather than their incompetent use by people who seem to rely on blind luck when taking them.
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Probably the only way is to just not make as many of them as they do now.
I doubt half the prescriptions the doctors give out are really warranted.



I'm not sure what the number of unwarranted Rx's are but I know we can't do without them until something else is developed that is non narcotic. There are far more persons who are not addicts, who do not become addicted who do definitely need narcotic pain pills, I have been there several times and without them, well I just might kill for them! It is a choice and for many it still seems even when educated they can get caught up, I've seen so many post op patients start that way, having left over pills from surgery where they start popping them for every little ailment, then doctor, urgent care, ER hopping to buying off the street, they are what we would call "normal" people with normal lives who never dreamed it would happen, especially the older folks. They are cutting back on manufacturing, most pharmacies keep little stock and are ordering per customer have to per customer, some Rx's are being refused when the pharmacist recognizes a "pain clinic" MD's. My surgeon gave me one Rx of 30 and one of 20 after my hip surgery, enough to last ten days and I was absolutely miserable, same with my sister and cousin, patients with that kind of surgical pain shouldn't be cut off when there is no history of abuse.



I agree. There is far too much media hype bordering on hysteria about an imaginary "epidemic" involving narcotics. Some people need these types of drugs and when they do there shouldn't be any obstacles placed in their path to getting them. They have a right to them and will continue to have a right to them. Some people misusing them doesn't alter that fact.

How about replacing the drug hysteria with a continuous media campaign about the "epidemic" of gun violence or motorcycle accidents?

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I have codeine pain pills that were prescribed to me and I refuse to take them unless my pain is preventing me from sleeping. I take maybe one a month. I consider them dangerous but sometime necessary.



Codeine is a fairly weak narcotic anyway. If you have significant pain I would recommend something else.

But the notion that narcotics are fearsome drugs that people should be scared of using is nonsense. What they should be concerned about is not using them correctly with adequate precautions. Like all drugs as well as alcohol.
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I'm not sure what the number of unwarranted Rx's are but I know we can't do without them until something else is developed that is non narcotic. There are far more persons who are not addicts, who do not become addicted who do definitely need narcotic pain pills



that doesnt explain why the US takes more heavy duty pain killers per head than any nation on earth - oxycontin and oxycodone arent even available here to terminal cancer patients - in the US it seems that you can be prescribed them for fairly minor pain

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Rigby5 wrote:

Probably the only way is to just not make as many of them as they do now.
I doubt half the prescriptions the doctors give out are really warranted.



Patients can judge whether they need them or not even if doctors misjudge the situation. That's not a job for a big, mistake-prone government to decide ahead of time by restricting the drugs too much.

Drug use is always a matter of personal responsibility, not the responsibility of the government.



That isn't my experience and I have tons with narcotics and patients. Most adults have little owies during the week Patients start taking them when the rest of us would be happy that a tylenol or ibuprofen would work or it is mild enough you don't bother with anything. Patients that get addicted when OTC would work, pop a narcotic, then two pills, then 4 pills then 6 pills at a time, then comes the spiral and I've seen that tons of times as well. There is nothing worse than a 50 y.o. hard working family man, coming in with sweat dripping, dishelved, screaming, out of control, hopping over my station to demand narcotics. Patients do not have an MD or a DEA license and they do not get to "judge" when they need a narcotic. A patient becomes a non patient and can get them their own then, illegally and stay out of the doctors office, clinic, hospital and urgent cares. Doctors want to treat pain, not make someone an addict and do you think a doctor should feed a patient when it's his license, his practice, his living and the government HE/SHE has to answer to?
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