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Islam doesn't allow plenty of what some practice and that ain't lying, it's the truth. You must accept that Christians, Jews and Muslims go against their own religion, we see it everyday. It was enough of a growing problem in the UK, that they made a law against it, so far no convictions but in France 100 convictions and two by professional 'cutters.'
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It was enough of a growing problem in the UK, that they made a law against it, so far no convictions

Only one person charged in the UK and slightly embarasssingly that person (a doctor) was actually attempting a repair of an infibulated patient who had recently given birth.

Infibulation is the most severe form of FGM in which basically all the external genitalia are cut away and the wound sewn shut leaving only a very small opening for urine and menstrual flow - you can imagine that when you push a baby out of a hole the size of your finger tip the result is a bloody mess
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Since Rigby likes wiki, he should check out the info on FGM in England and Wales, including the women who have had it done and are activists, women who aren't lying. There is hardly I time when living or visiting this doesn't make the news, because there are thousands and thousands of women who have experienced FGM. It also happens in the US and in 1997 a law was made that prohibited FGM for those under 18. A study was initiated under Obama and the statistics are shocking for the US and saying it's a lie, is doing these women no service!
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CAIRO, Egypt — It was supposed to be a routine “operation.” The parents of 13-year-old Soheir al-Batea, from a village in Egypt’s Nile Delta, took her to be circumcised at the local clinic that had been recommended by friends. They had done the same with her older sister a year before. A doctor typically cuts off the whole clitoris or a part of it, sometimes in extreme cases removing the labia as well, in a procedure that is now illegal but still deemed necessary by many Egyptians to preserve the purity of the child and control sexual desire.
Dr. Raslan Fadl, a well-respected imam and employee of the nearby government hospital, performed the illegal procedure as he had done on dozens of other girls. He typically treated 10 women a day, locals said afterward.
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Islam doesn't allow plenty of what some practice and that ain't lying, it's the truth. You must accept that Christians, Jews and Muslims go against their own religion, we see it everyday. It was enough of a growing problem in the UK, that they made a law against it, so far no convictions but in France 100 convictions and two by professional 'cutters.'



Its true that there were traditions of mutilation BEFORE Mohammad, but the point is that it has nothing at all to do with Islam.

I have no idea who is doing what in England or France, but the odds are most likely it is the same blood libel as claiming Jews make matzo out of kidnapped babies.
Odds are it is just racist lies, designed to inflame violence.

I don't believe any medical practitioner, nurse or doctor, would ever remove any sexual items unless it was due to some medical need, such as hermaphrodism, cancer, cysts, etc.

I see no reason at all to believe any of these claims that obviously could only be harmful to repeat.
And as far as France goes, they have a long tradition of fascism and racism, such as trying to outlaw the head scarf.

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Thinking it is about religion is a mistake in the first place, it is about controlling sexual activity by women. Men here do it by verbal and physical abuse. Churches do it, even high school boys do it, "bad reputations" still exist if you are a female.
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Since Rigby likes wiki, he should check out the info on FGM in England and Wales, including the women who have had it done and are activists, women who aren't lying. There is hardly I time when living or visiting this doesn't make the news, because there are thousands and thousands of women who have experienced FGM. It also happens in the US and in 1997 a law was made that prohibited FGM for those under 18. A study was initiated under Obama and the statistics are shocking for the US and saying it's a lie, is doing these women no service!




Your still not listening.
In Islam, there is a procedure called female circumcision, but the point is that it is NOT female genital mutilation. No harm is done to the clitoris, and those claiming it is removed are simply lying.
A slit in the prepuce is NOT mutilation.
Prosecuting those who do this is a racist hate crime.
Spreading the false rumor that mutilation is practiced in the Mideast is a racist hate crime.
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CAIRO, Egypt — It was supposed to be a routine “operation.” The parents of 13-year-old Soheir al-Batea, from a village in Egypt’s Nile Delta, took her to be circumcised at the local clinic that had been recommended by friends. They had done the same with her older sister a year before. A doctor typically cuts off the whole clitoris or a part of it, sometimes in extreme cases removing the labia as well, in a procedure that is now illegal but still deemed necessary by many Egyptians to preserve the purity of the child and control sexual desire.
Dr. Raslan Fadl, a well-respected imam and employee of the nearby government hospital, performed the illegal procedure as he had done on dozens of other girls. He typically treated 10 women a day, locals said afterward.
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The "Daily Beast" is a scandal rag, and absurd to read or quote.
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Thinking it is about religion is a mistake in the first place, it is about controlling sexual activity by women. Men here do it by verbal and physical abuse. Churches do it, even high school boys do it, "bad reputations" still exist if you are a female.



Not its not.
That is the point, that is the deliberate lie.
The whole point of Islam was that Mohammad married an older widow who he loved and respected, so tried to make reforms to Judaism in order to improve the role of women.
For example, he finally made it so that women were considered to have a soul, rights, could divorce, inherit, etc.
You are referring to what preceded Islam, not Islam.

Read Gloria Steinem on how Islam was originally a woman's rights reformation.
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Are you not reading, I said it is not how Islam is practiced faithfully, it is a made up deal by men, like most control over women was and is. This is one thing you will not or never be an expert on, unless you are a female and in particular, one who has lived it.
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