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May has shown herself to be totally devoid of any humanity, compassion or common decency, Corbyn was on site within 12 hours of the fire and faced no protests Theresa May had to be dragged kicking and screaming to meet the people who suffered loss from this fire and that is why there was anger.


Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council are the people who in order to save less than £7000 (on a £2.3 million contract) specified plastic cladding (which was not fire retardant) rather than mineral cladding which was fire retardant.



The cladding was only done so that the wealthy people in their multimillion pound houses wouldnt have to look at ugly concrete tower bocks
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The missing and dead has risen to 79. From the photos there is a significant amount of Internal damage that does not justify just the outside skin being a issue. For the fire to get as hot Internal to the building there had to be a significant to excessive level of combustible INSIDE.
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For the fire to get as hot Internal to the building there had to be a significant to excessive level of combustible INSIDE



Here in UK quite a lot of people have furniture - you may have heard of it, it is often made of wood and fabric, some people also have books, beds and bedding and other flamable stuff

Of course there was burning inside but the spreading was outside.
 fire transmits only very slowly through concrete - this fire travelled from its source on the fourth floor to the entirety of the block in less than 30 minutes. Travelling from flat to flat up the outside of the block enetring the flats through the broken windows

It is now being reported that the cladding as fitted was actually against existing fire safety laws - but we will have to see how that pans out
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Once the cladding became alight the fire spread rather quickly over the whole building. The intensity of the temperature in burning the cladding made sure of that and the incineration of most of the contents.
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Yobbo not only was the cladding inflamable but there was an air space between it and the tower this functioned like a chimney feeding air at pressure to the advancing fire meaning that the cladding burnt at a very high temperature - far higher than it would in free space
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Yes, I omitted that.

The refurbishing of the building was done in particularly slack ways, mostly for appearances.
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Yobbo not only was the cladding inflamable but there was an air space between it and the tower this functioned like a chimney feeding air at pressure to the advancing fire meaning that the cladding burnt at a very high temperature - far higher than it would in free space



How [sign in to see URL] so many have lost so much and some their life just to keep up appearances. emoticon
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Picture of a poster in an adjacent block campaigning NOT to have sprinklers fitted

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I think there'll be fewer takers after the tower building fire.
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After the London Inferno, a Question For Laissez-faire Zealots: Is a Human Life Worth No More Than $100?

by Eamonn Fingleton

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If British reports are to be believed, the Grenfell Tower inferno in central London might have been averted for a cost of a mere $6,000 — or a little more than $100 for each of the 58 unfortunates who, on the best estimate available this weekend, perished in the disaster.

According to the London Daily Mail, when the tower was recently renovated, builders opted for a cladding material so inappropriate that it is rated “flammable” in Germany and its use in tall buildings in even lightly regulated America is banned. The attraction was a saving of a mere 10 percent. On the Mail’s numbers that added up to a total saving compared to a safe material of £5,000 — equal to a little more than $6,000.
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~I have seen reports of the saving being anywhere between £5000 and 'less than £7000' which is a pittance on a £2.3 million refurb contract.

As I said previously there is talk that the use of this cladding was illegal under existing law which would mean criminal charges for the council, the architect and the supplier
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In New Mexico, everything is stucco, which is not only fire proof, but that is why it has been so popular here for thousands of years.
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Point taken.

Not exactly high towers though.
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The safety stairwells might be though!
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and how well does stucco hold up to over 40 inches of rain per year?

how well do they withstand a fire when filled with a modern furnishing?

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but that is why it has been so popular here for thousands of years.



"thousands of years"? (hardly)


this is over 4500 years old

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few of the stucco building of America predate 1000 AD
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and how well does stucco hold up to over 40 inches of rain per year?

how well do they withstand a fire when filled with a modern furnishing?

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but that is why it has been so popular here for thousands of years.



"thousands of years"? (hardly)


this is over 4500 years old

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There are many kinds of stucco, but adobe has straw mixed in that makes it last even with the summer New Mexico monsoons.

I did not say that there were any stucco buildings over 1000 years old, but that they have been building with stucco in New Mexico for over 2000 years. The oldest stucco adobe I know of that is still lived in is only around 800 years old.
But fire does not harm adobe, and instead makes it more water resistant.
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This just in.

the London fire service attended a fire in a refrigerator in at flat at Grenfall tower declaring the fire extinguished they were just packing away their equipment when they whole block went up.

Apparently they were un aware of either the flammable nature of the cladding or the fact that the fire had spread to the cladding

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Everyone involved in cutting costs by putting this cladding on the [sign in to see URL] be doing a very long time in jail.

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Looks like a series of cover ups in the review of this appalling mess....

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Paraphrasing Johnny Carson, get yourself yourself a house made of stucco and you become a "stuckee."
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