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Perhaps it was a rivalry between priesthood and Pharaoh?




the pharoah was god


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The priest were more than religion, as they controlled the grain held back for seed, when to plant, how to get through droughts, etc



I dont know who decided how much seed corn to keep, but planting was decided by the river Nile and the star Sirius - the Egyptians had a very accurate calander they knew that a year was 365 and a quarter days long (only 11 minutes adrift from our current calculation).

As regards getting through a drought that was down to pharoah although he did seek advice. (Genesis 41:33


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With monotheism, you only need the one Pharaoh



but that pharoah is no longer god!

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Perhaps it was a rivalry between priesthood and Pharaoh?




the pharoah was god


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The priest were more than religion, as they controlled the grain held back for seed, when to plant, how to get through droughts, etc



I dont know who decided how much seed corn to keep, but planting was decided by the river Nile and the star Sirius - the Egyptians had a very accurate calander they knew that a year was 365 and a quarter days long (only 11 minutes adrift from our current calculation).

As regards getting through a drought that was down to pharoah although he did seek advice. (Genesis 41:33


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With monotheism, you only need the one Pharaoh



but that pharoah is no longer god!




Pharoah was A god, but not the greatest of the gods.

Planting was not based on calendar, but when the last flood had past, dependent not only on the level of the Nile, but messages from up river as to when monsoons had abated.

Wheat, rice, emmer, barley, etc., not corn. And the granaries for seed and food were all maintained by the priesthood. That was necessary since it was not uncommon to have to miss 1 or more years of crops, depending on weather.

I don't think we know enough to be able to tell if Akhenaten was still considered a god or not, since the main idea was to elevate the Sun god?
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Planting was not based on calendar, but when the last flood had past, dependent not only on the level of the Nile, but messages from up river as to when monsoons had abated.



I see that you are still not reading posts you respond to!

Sowing was decided by THE NILE (as I previously stated) and the rising of the star Sirius.
there was a measuring device set into the bank of the Nile (a "Nilometer")which determined when the annual Nile flood had started, it was noticed that the flood occured every 365days it was later notice that this sometimes co incided with the rising of Sirius and it was this which led them to the discovery that the year was 365 and a quarter days.

by tracking the height of the flood they could determine what sort of season they would have - a low flood indicating that there might be a lean year

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The most powerful person in ancient Egypt was the pharaoh. The pharaoh was the political and religious leader of the Egyptian people, holding the titles: 'Lord of the Two Lands' and 'High Priest of Every Temple'.
As 'Lord of the Two Lands' the pharaoh was the ruler of Upper and Lower Egypt. He owned all of the land, made laws, collected taxes, and defended Egypt against foreigners.

As 'High Priest of Every Temple', the pharaoh represented the gods on Earth. He performed rituals and built temples to honour the gods.



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don't think we know enough to be able to tell if Akhenaten was still considered a god or not, since the main idea was to elevate the Sun god?




He also promoted monotheism if there is only one god and that that god is Aten then obviously nothing not even the pharoah can also be a god

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He also promoted monotheism if there is only one god and that that god is Aten then obviously nothing not even the pharoah can also be a god



Just like Catholicism has the trinity, there could have been different aspects of a single God?
Or Pharoah could have been considered a son of God?
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Just like Catholicism has the trinity, there could have been different aspects of a single God?
Or Pharoah could have been considered a son of God



do you have a scrap of evidence to support any of that?

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do you have a scrap of evidence to support any of that?



{...
Son of God, Son of the Sun: The Life and Philosophy of Akhenaten, King of Egypt Paperback – January 19, 2015
by Savitri Devi (Author), David Skrbina (Editor)
...}
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you do like a weird source dont you?


Savitri Devi (AKA Maximiani Portas) a pioneering animal-rights activist and proponent of Hinduism and Nazism, synthesizing the two, proclaiming Adolf Hitler to have been sent by Providence, much like an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu. Her writings have influenced neo-Nazism and Nazi mysticism

She was also one of the founding members of the World Union of National Socialists.

strange I think that the book was written in 1946 but not published until 2015


a passage from the book

Who is a “son of God”?
 There are men who vehemently deny the honour of that title to any person
whosoever, in consistency with the fundamental idea of a transcendent God, above
and outside the Universe and distinct from all that is within it. Others recognise no
“Son” but the founder of their own creed, to whom they attribute a miraculous birth as the proof of a divine origin.
 In harmony with an entirely different conception of God, we believe that any
man who realises to the full that true relation of his finite individuality to the
immanent, impersonal Essence of all things can call himself the Son of God — at
once human and divine — for the relation of which he is then aware is one of
substantial identity with that supreme Essence. We also believe that, properly
speaking, the word “God” has no meaning except to those who have realised this.
Such men are rare, always and everywhere. But they alone stand to justify the
existence of the human species.
 The aim of this book is to show that Akhnaton was one of those few men,
and the earliest known, perhaps, among those whose life can be dated.


Based on the above I dont think I will be reading it any time soon



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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten%3A_Son_of_the_Sun

{...
Akhenaten: Son of the Sun is a novel written by Moyra Caldecott in 1986. It was first published in 1986 as The Son of the Sun in hardback by Alison & Busby, UK.

...
Based on the remarkable reign of Akhenaten in Eighteenth Dynasty Egypt, this story is told as if by a contemporary of his, Djehuti-kheper-Ra. It follows history as closely as possible on the evidence we have, and describes the political machinations of the time. But it also traces the spiritual journey of the protagonists, the journey on which we are all engaged whether we know it or not.

Akhenaten: Son Of The Sun is part of Moyra Caldecott’s Egyptian sequence, which also includes Hatshepsut: Daughter of Amun and Tutankhamun and the Daughter of Ra. Chronologically, Akhenaten: Son of the Sun takes place between the other two books, but it was written first.
...}
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{...
Others have likened some aspects of Akhenaten's relationship with the Aten to the relationship, in Christian tradition, of Jesus Christ with God, particularly in interpretations that emphasize a more monotheistic interpretation of Atenism than henotheistic. Donald B. Redford has noted that some have viewed Akhenaten as a harbinger of Jesus. "After all, Akhenaten did call himself the son of the sole god: 'Thine only son that came forth from thy body'."[76] James Henry Breasted likened him to Jesus,[77] Arthur Weigall saw him as a failed precursor of Christ and Thomas Mann saw him "as right on the way and yet not the right one for the way".[78]

Redford argued that while Akhenaten called himself the son of the Sun-Disc and acted as the chief mediator between god and creation, kings for thousands of years before Akhenaten's time had claimed the same relationship and priestly role. However Akhenaten's case may be different through the emphasis placed on the heavenly father and son relationship. Akhenaten described himself as "thy son who came forth from thy limbs", "thy child", "the eternal son that came forth from the Sun-Disc", and "thine only son that came forth from thy body". The close relationship between father and son is such that only the king truly knows the heart of "his father", and in return his father listens to his son's prayers. He is his father's image on earth, and as Akhenaten is king on earth, his father is king in heaven. As high priest, prophet, king and divine he claimed the central position in the new religious system. Because only he knew his father's mind and will, Akhenaten alone could interpret that will for all mankind with true teaching coming only from him.[76]

Redford concluded:

Before much of the archaeological evidence from Thebes and from Tell el-Amarna became available, wishful thinking sometimes turned Akhenaten into a humane teacher of the true God, a mentor of Moses, a christlike figure, a philosopher before his time. But these imaginary creatures are now fading away as the historical reality gradually emerges. There is little or no evidence to support the notion that Akhenaten was a progenitor of the full-blown monotheism that we find in the Bible. The monotheism of the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament had its own separate development — one that began more than half a millennium after the pharaoh's death.[79]
...}
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