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... very lame.
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It's a strange country Yobbo, for every giant step forward down a short road we'll take ten giant steps backwards. Generally speaking what I liked about the UK is a forward step meant future progression not going backwards! It works out a helluva better than repeating the same mistakes.
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I have tried to forget that there were so many Neanderthals still living in parts of America.
The topic of this thread rather tells a story.
Many cops are scared of or profess to be scared of black males. So they shoot first and think afterwards.
As far as I can see, a lot of America's social problems come down to racism and guns.
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I have tried to forget that there were so many Neanderthals still living in parts of America.
The topic of this thread rather tells a story.
Many cops are scared of or profess to be scared of black males. So they shoot first and think afterwards.
As far as I can see, a lot of America's social problems come down to racism and guns.



I don't think it is just a small group.
I think the wealthy who control this country, ensure that police are selected and trained in order to deliberately intimidate poor people.
I think it is deliberate and systemic corruption.

The proof is that this cop shot for no reason, so was not properly trained or even knew what the law was, and that no first air was done.
If the bleeding in the arm had been stopped, it seems to me he had a good chance of surviving.
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but it appears they were based upon what I do know about the case.



"appears"?
and what DO you know about the case which came from an impartial source?


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Unless the man who was shot grabbed a gun or was at least touching one there was no justification for him to be shot five times



So unless he actually had the gun in his hand for you its a no deal?

from it being in his hand to being in firing position might take less than a second - the cops reaction time is ~0.3 seconds (assuming that he has the gun pointing at the target) that doesnt leave the cop much margin for error.


the deceased had no reason to put his hand anywhere near the gun (even if he didnt hear any instructions common sense should tell you not to even look like you might be going for it)


I get it that he shouldnt have been shot but of the many similar cases I think this is one of the least worrying



Video is an impartial witness.

The most important question is whether the victim was armed at the time he was shot. He wasn't.

Also, if he had been intending to try to shoot the cop it's extremely unlikely he would have told him he had a gun.

In his case telling the cop he had one appears to have been a mistake. That apparently caused the cop to get scared and resort to unnecessary gunfire just because the guy moved his hand.

Juries are often biased towards white men in general and male cops in particular so even with the evidence in this case it is not surprising that the cop was let off the hook.
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The most important question is whether the victim was armed at the time he was shot. He wasn't



legally does he have to be armed to be eligable to be shot?

I thought (most states) that all that was requirfed to legitimately use lethal force was a 'fear for your life' - it doesnt have to be a reasonable fear, it doesnt have to be a fear based on the other party being armed or physically superior you just need to be in fear for your life.


I agree that this isnt a good law (but many Americans seem to like it) but that is the position if you dont like it then tell your government!

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Brown had 100 pounds an considerable bodily size greater than the officer, he had just received a beating and was certain the next one could cost him major injury if not death. Legal recourse he was exonerated, the civil suit took none of that into account BTW the ruling has become appealed as Ferguson does not have those funds available to pay out.
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Cooter criminal courts and civil courts have different standards of proof, it is comaparatively easy to win a civil case

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The most important question is whether the victim was armed at the time he was shot. He wasn't



legally does he have to be armed to be eligable to be shot?

I thought (most states) that all that was requirfed to legitimately use lethal force was a 'fear for your life' - it doesnt have to be a reasonable fear, it doesnt have to be a fear based on the other party being armed or physically superior you just need to be in fear for your life.


I agree that this isnt a good law (but many Americans seem to like it) but that is the position if you dont like it then tell your government!



Since police are trained in self defense and carry an array of non-lethal self defense weapons, there is absolutely no situation where they can legally shoot someone who does not possess a weapon.
It does not have to be a firearm, and can be edged of blunt, but even a small police women can not shoot an unarmed person, legally.
But it still happens all the time.
The police simply are not acting within the law, and never really have.
That should be easy to see, because if police could legally shoot just because they were unrealistically afraid, then so could anyone. And clearly since many people do have a valid reason to fear police, since police are armed, then anyone could legally shoot and kill all the police.
It is not enough to be fearful.
There has to be no other alternative.
If you can retreat for example, then you can't shoot.
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Since police are trained in self defense and carry an array of non-lethal self defense weapons, there is absolutely no situation where they can legally shoot someone who does not possess a weapon



is that the law or your opinion of what the law should be (but isnt)?



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If you can retreat for example, then you can't shoot.



I KNOW that that is not the law in many states for example
Alabama Alaska Arizona Florida Georgia Indiana Kansas Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Mississippi Montana Nevada New Hampshire North Carolina Ohio Oklahoma Pennsylvania South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah West Virginia

all have laws that say that you have "no duty to retreat from the situation before resorting to deadly force; and that this right extends beyond your property"

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