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Re: The world's respect for America crumbles in Trump era:
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You've admitted to not traveling the world, so how would you know?
Because as a high tech contractor, I not only work extensively with immigrants, but keep in contact with people all over the world.
I did this since DARPANet and phone modems allowed the BBS to be possible back in the 1970s.
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I don't see how respect for the US could be any lower than when we invaded innocent countries, assassinate civilians with drones, etc.?
The only major mistakes Trump has made so far is in Syria. But that I blame on the military lying to him.
I don't particularly like Trump, but I can't see how anyone can complain about him in comparison to how badly the US has acted for decades.
Rather like many lies fed to the public, the bullshit surrounding the sarin gas allegations are slowly coming to light.
Why do so many people immediately accept the seemingly endless stream of lies fed them by the government and the media?
Rather like many lies fed to the public, the bullshit surrounding the sarin gas allegations are slowly coming to light.
Why do so many people immediately accept the seemingly endless stream of lies fed them by the government and the media?
Here Hersch tells us that Trump's bombing of Syria was based on lies and he was told by the military brass that the sarin story was indeed a lie. Trump was not misled by the US military.
[O]n April 6, United States President Donald Trump authorized an early morning Tomahawk missile strike on Shayrat Air Base in central Syria in retaliation for what he said was a deadly nerve agent attack carried out by the Syrian government two days earlier in the rebel-held town of Khan Sheikhoun. Trump issued the order despite having been warned by the U.S. intelligence community that it had found no evidence that the Syrians had used a chemical weapon.
The available intelligence made clear that the Syrians had targeted a jihadist meeting site on April 4 using a Russian-supplied guided bomb equipped with conventional explosives. Details of the attack, including information on its so-called high-value targets, had been provided by the Russians days in advance to American and allied military officials in Doha, whose mission is to coordinate all U.S., allied, Syrian and Russian Air Force operations in the region.
Some American military and intelligence officials were especially distressed by the president's determination to ignore the evidence. "None of this makes any sense," one officer told colleagues upon learning of the decision to bomb. "We KNOW that there was no chemical attack ... the Russians are furious. Claiming we have the real intel and know the truth ... I guess it didn't matter whether we elected Clinton or Trump.“
Within hours of the April 4 bombing, the world’s media was saturated with photographs and videos from Khan Sheikhoun. Pictures of dead and dying victims, allegedly suffering from the symptoms of nerve gas poisoning, were uploaded to social media by local activists, including the White Helmets, a first responder group known for its close association with the Syrian opposition.
The provenance of the photos was not clear and no international observers have yet inspected the site, but the immediate popular assumption worldwide was that this was a deliberate use of the nerve agent sarin, authorized by President Bashar Assad of Syria. Trump endorsed that assumption by issuing a statement within hours of the attack, describing Assad’s "heinous actions" as being a consequence of the Obama administration’s "weakness and irresolution" in addressing what he said was Syria’s past use of chemical weapons.
To the dismay of many senior members of his national security team, Trump could not be swayed over the next 48 hours of intense briefings and decision-making. In a series of interviews, I learned of the total disconnect between the president and many of his military advisers and intelligence officials, as well as officers on the ground in the region who had an entirely different understanding of the nature of Syria’s attack on Khan Sheikhoun. I was provided with evidence of that disconnect, in the form of transcripts of real-time communications, immediately following the Syrian attack on April 4. In an important pre-strike process known as deconfliction, U.S. and Russian officers routinely supply one another with advance details of planned flight paths and target coordinates, to ensure that there is no risk of collision or accidental encounter (the Russians speak on behalf of the Syrian military). This information is supplied daily to the American AWACS surveillance planes that monitor the flights once airborne. Deconfliction’s success and importance can be measured by the fact that there has yet to be one collision, or even a near miss, among the high-powered supersonic American, Allied, Russian and Syrian fighter bombers.
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165905578/Trump-s-Red-Line.html
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http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/
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Re: The world's respect for America crumbles in Trump era:
Trump is not at all relevant.
The reality is that the US was despotic a long time ago. Maybe a decades, maybe a century.
The Monroe Doctrine and Spanish American War were awful.
Trump is just a symptom.
Focusing on him is to ignore the real problem, that has been around for a very long time.
As bad as he may be, there is no candidate who is any better. They are all losers who would sell out their own grandmother.
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Re: The world's respect for America crumbles in Trump era:
Why don't we go back to the very beginning, wiping out the majority of Native Americans and stealing their land!
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Why don't we go back to the very beginning, wiping out the majority of Native Americans and stealing their land!
That would be a valid complaint if we had not just murdered over a million innocent Iraqi, Afghans, Libyans, Egyptians, Syrians, etc.
So far, Trump has been the lesser of the 2 evils.
(although I don't know if Obama was personally to blame for much?)
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That isn't close to the truth it is guesstimated between 50-100 million Native Americans lost their lives. Those most responsible for the majority of deaths is Muslim on Muslim, a point you seem to leave out. So far is a joke, after 5 months you have no clue what the next 3 yrs. 7 months will bring and if bringing down the Syrian airplane is any indication I think one must know what is coming, especially with the threats, although we are never quite sure of The Donald's threats are we, since many tend to be bullshit?
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Re: The world's respect for America crumbles in Trump era:
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Are we witnessing the end of the American era?
The stereotype is as entrenched in our perceptions of America as the Statue of Liberty and the Manhattan skyline: the obese gun nut proudly ignorant of the outside world yet unshakeable in the belief that everything is bigger and better in the US of A; the Bible-bashing social Darwinist; the money grubber who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Those guys Randy Newman sang about in Rednecks (1974): “We got no-necked oilmen from Texas/And good ol’ boys from Tennessee/And college men from LSU/Went in dumb, come out dumb too … We’re rednecks, we’re rednecks/And we don’t know our ass from a hole in the ground.” The song, incidentally, is as much a satire of northern, liberal hypocrisy over race as of the south’s overt racism.
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How do we view America's favorability rating abroad. In particular the view of the the Donald Trump presidency. As both an Americanbj and a European, I tend to view both America,, as well as southern and Central Europe from multiple perspectives. As an American, I guess I view the country and our president separately. As a country I continue to view America as a country blessed with incredible potential, based largely on the availability of incredible resources, natural, and man made. However, I also view America as incomplete, a country falling short of its incredible potential. Particularly falling short in meeting the needs of a growing underclass. Even more troubling to me as both an American and a European is the complete mess that we find in the Trump foreign policy. I had problems with the foreign policies of the last several administrations. And in most respects the trump policy mimics that of Obama, Bush II, and Clinton. The only difference? At least Trump's predecessors knew what they were doing. They were dead wrong in their policies. but at least you had professionals carrying out that policy. These clowns have no !@#$ clue. In a ju recent discussion with my brother I brought up the fact that Italy survived ten years of Silvio Berlusconi's insanity. Therefore, I suspect America will survive Donald Trump. Where upon my brother made a very valid point - for all his Bunga Bunga parties, Berlusconi did not have the nuclear codes. Since that discussion I really haven't slept well at night. As a European, I agree with Katie's assessment. I have sympathy and pity for the Americans who didn't vote for Trump. In fact it is with dismay that I attempt to uncover a reason why Donald Trump even exists. As an American, my primary emotion is one of utter embarrasment. That and fear -- fear of the unknown and unimaginable potential of what this current administration might do, and to which pathway they may lead this country and the world.
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That isn't close to the truth it is guesstimated between 50-100 million Native Americans lost their lives. Those most responsible for the majority of deaths is Muslim on Muslim, a point you seem to leave out. So far is a joke, after 5 months you have no clue what the next 3 yrs. 7 months will bring and if bringing down the Syrian airplane is any indication I think one must know what is coming, especially with the threats, although we are never quite sure of The Donald's threats are we, since many tend to be bullshit?
I went back to the Spanish American war to show we have a long history of abusing others.
When you brought up Native Americans, I thought you meant I had gone too far back.
As for Mideast deaths, I would blame the west for all of it. Much of the conflict came about due to bad borders created by Sykes-Picot after the Ottoman Empire was destroyed by the west. Almost all the governments in the Mideast are western creations, armed and trained by the US. Iran is the only exception, which threw off the western oppression. For example, it was entirely the US that created Israel by illegally taking Arab land. Anyone who dared to defy the US was killed, like Saddam or Qaddafi.
As for Trump, who knows or cares what time may bring.
The point is the current over blown reaction is not only insane, but totally counter productive in that it prevents any possible conciliatory cooperation. Demonizing ahead of time is obviously a deliberate attempt to make things much worse, not better.
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