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I've never watched the series. As far as SF goes I love the saying "Everything I have learned about life I learned from Star Trek".

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If I want to learn morality it certainly wouldn't be from Star Trek or Star Wars, nor did I. What makes reading different from a movie script? You read it, they produce it on film, at the end of the day it still is one persons opinion and view, whether in a book or in a film, a poem, a speech or any way it is delivered or anyway you wish to receive it.



You missed the point.
There is no difference between reading or watching. It can be equally a book, movie, play, etc.
The point is that if it is just someone speaking or writing about the theory of morality, there is no drama, narrative, or illustration to make it real or clear. It often then is just meaningless abstractions, like a professor giving a lecture.

When there is a narrative, drama, and actual characterizations, you are not only distracted by the action, but the lesson can not possibly be missed.
And sci fi is even better at accomplishing that because it avoids your preconceptions and prejudices already ingrained.

For example, if you were already prejudiced against immigrants, that whole preconceived mindset could be bypassed by staging it so the immigrant was a human being from earth, coming to an alien planet instead. That would force your inherent sympathies to be with the immigrant in a way that no other scenario could possibly.

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I've never watched the series. As far as SF goes I love the saying "Everything I have learned about life I learned from Star Trek".



As science fiction goes, Star Trek was pretty bad. At the time it was by far the best science fiction to make it to television but that's not saying a lot.
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My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.

Okay, but what do you like ?

What else in the media is able to set up the moral parables without outrage by the ... usual suspects ?
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"Star Trek" was awful, but it tried to honestly cover relevant social issues. That is what saved it.
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As a kid I was fascinated by Star Trek, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Space 1999 on Moonbase Alpha, even the movies like 2001 A Space Odyssey all the science fiction considerations as to living differently than we did. I cannot watch them anymore as I see them in different light and with a aged mind that understands the limitations they exceeded.

I still watch SciFi but it is not as fun as once was. IE: The Martian, Destination Mars etc.
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My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.

Okay, but what do you like ?

What else in the media is able to set up the moral parables without outrage by the ... usual suspects ?



Children's movies often send good examples of morals, for adult movies, there is a list but I wont', they strike the heart and mind and it stays on your mind for days and is implanted, which Star Trek, didn't cut it.
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.



Oh, so you're one of them. I'm not a fan of Doctor Who either but Star Trek is a whole different ballgame. I loved it.

Star Wars is claptrap. Pure space opera with guys flying around in space shooting other guys flying around in space. The force might as well be called the farce.

Star Trek had interesting, well-developed characters while Star Wars had two dimensional characters that were pretty much just more scenery.

And while some episodes of Star Trek aren't very good, others are. Ones like "Errand of Mercy" are outstanding. That particular episode turned the standard hero based story line upside down. There was no hero in that story, just a group of powerful aliens who put a stop to a major war. They simply didn't allow the two sides to continue the bloodshed.

Episodes like that are what made Star Trek a classic sci-fi TV series.
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