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Even if you're not a fan of the show as I am, you may find it interesting that after 12 men have played the role they have now opted for a woman.
I suspected this was coming.


Jodie Whittaker: Doctor Who's 13th Time Lord to be a woman

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Soon to be known as "Doctor Woo-Who!"
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.
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And of course we should all devote ourselves exclusively to dour and serious endeavors?
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



Science fiction is actually just a ruse to put everyday ethical questions into a different setting, so that you can escape your preconceptions.
It is like when the episode of "Star Trek" had a race of aliens who had 2 forms of being half white and black, but were mirror image of each other. Obviously the need for racial distinction there was totally unnecessary, but it was to point out that there is also no need when the races are pure white and pure black.
Dr. Who is often replaying Shakespeare, but in a different setting. The witches of "McBeth" are actually science fiction of the time.
The point is suspension of disbelief, in order to allow poetic license.
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.



Sorry, but the fact "Star War" failed to continue the morality play of sci fi, is why it started bombing. "Star Wars" is not good sci fi, so is not really good at all. Only the first was good, because they gave the Force a sense of morality, good and evil, and Alec Guinness played it like a morality play.
All the rest were pretty much junk, in my opinion.
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I wasn't interested in the morality, it's sci fi space, I was interested in the bells and whistles, if I want morality or ethics I'll read philosophy not watch a sci fi movie.
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I wasn't interested in the morality, it's sci fi space, I was interested in the bells and whistles, if I want morality or ethics I'll read philosophy not watch a sci fi movie.



So the whole Force, Dark Side, etc. meant nothing to you?

You can't actually learn morality or ethics from reading what someone else is preaching.
You have to have example sneak it in, like sci fi, because you already have too many preconceptions. The point of sci fi is to be able to actually alter your conditioning. You can't do that intellectually.
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If I want to learn morality it certainly wouldn't be from Star Trek or Star Wars, nor did I. What makes reading different from a movie script? You read it, they produce it on film, at the end of the day it still is one persons opinion and view, whether in a book or in a film, a poem, a speech or any way it is delivered or anyway you wish to receive it.
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I've never watched the series. As far as SF goes I love the saying "Everything I have learned about life I learned from Star Trek".

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If I want to learn morality it certainly wouldn't be from Star Trek or Star Wars, nor did I. What makes reading different from a movie script? You read it, they produce it on film, at the end of the day it still is one persons opinion and view, whether in a book or in a film, a poem, a speech or any way it is delivered or anyway you wish to receive it.



You missed the point.
There is no difference between reading or watching. It can be equally a book, movie, play, etc.
The point is that if it is just someone speaking or writing about the theory of morality, there is no drama, narrative, or illustration to make it real or clear. It often then is just meaningless abstractions, like a professor giving a lecture.

When there is a narrative, drama, and actual characterizations, you are not only distracted by the action, but the lesson can not possibly be missed.
And sci fi is even better at accomplishing that because it avoids your preconceptions and prejudices already ingrained.

For example, if you were already prejudiced against immigrants, that whole preconceived mindset could be bypassed by staging it so the immigrant was a human being from earth, coming to an alien planet instead. That would force your inherent sympathies to be with the immigrant in a way that no other scenario could possibly.

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I've never watched the series. As far as SF goes I love the saying "Everything I have learned about life I learned from Star Trek".



As science fiction goes, Star Trek was pretty bad. At the time it was by far the best science fiction to make it to television but that's not saying a lot.
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My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.

Okay, but what do you like ?

What else in the media is able to set up the moral parables without outrage by the ... usual suspects ?
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"Star Trek" was awful, but it tried to honestly cover relevant social issues. That is what saved it.
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As a kid I was fascinated by Star Trek, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Space 1999 on Moonbase Alpha, even the movies like 2001 A Space Odyssey all the science fiction considerations as to living differently than we did. I cannot watch them anymore as I see them in different light and with a aged mind that understands the limitations they exceeded.

I still watch SciFi but it is not as fun as once was. IE: The Martian, Destination Mars etc.
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My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.

Okay, but what do you like ?

What else in the media is able to set up the moral parables without outrage by the ... usual suspects ?



Children's movies often send good examples of morals, for adult movies, there is a list but I wont', they strike the heart and mind and it stays on your mind for days and is implanted, which Star Trek, didn't cut it.
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.



Oh, so you're one of them. I'm not a fan of Doctor Who either but Star Trek is a whole different ballgame. I loved it.

Star Wars is claptrap. Pure space opera with guys flying around in space shooting other guys flying around in space. The force might as well be called the farce.

Star Trek had interesting, well-developed characters while Star Wars had two dimensional characters that were pretty much just more scenery.

And while some episodes of Star Trek aren't very good, others are. Ones like "Errand of Mercy" are outstanding. That particular episode turned the standard hero based story line upside down. There was no hero in that story, just a group of powerful aliens who put a stop to a major war. They simply didn't allow the two sides to continue the bloodshed.

Episodes like that are what made Star Trek a classic sci-fi TV series.
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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.



Oh, so you're one of them. I'm not a fan of Doctor Who either but Star Trek is a whole different ballgame. I loved it.

Star Wars is claptrap. Pure space opera with guys flying around in space shooting other guys flying around in space. The force might as well be called the farce.

Star Trek had interesting, well-developed characters while Star Wars had two dimensional characters that were pretty much just more scenery.

And while some episodes of Star Trek aren't very good, others are. Ones like "Errand of Mercy" are outstanding. That particular episode turned the standard hero based story line upside down. There was no hero in that story, just a group of powerful aliens who put a stop to a major war. They simply didn't allow the two sides to continue the bloodshed.

Episodes like that are what made Star Trek a classic sci-fi TV series.



I know it was for a lot of people, I'm not a big fan of that genre in the first place so that is why I like the bells and whistles that Star Trek or previous space movies didn't have. If you want a space movie message I'd pick, "The Day the Earth Stood Still." I couldn't stand the acting in "Star Trek" either I thought they were terrible.
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I've never watched the series. As far as SF goes I love the saying "Everything I have learned about life I learned from Star Trek".



As science fiction goes, Star Trek was pretty bad. At the time it was by far the best science fiction to make it to television but that's not saying a lot.



I would give "Star Trek" a slight edge over other science fiction shows but "The Outer Limits" was also a good one. Also, the older "Science Fiction Theatre" was quite good. You can view episodes of that series on YouTube. I also liked one that cooter mentioned, "Voyage To the Bottom of the Sea," although it was a bit more campy than "Star Trek."

In reality a lot of those old science fiction TV series are better than modern science fiction films, except for the budget of course.

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My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.

Okay, but what do you like ?


What else in the media is able to set up the moral parables without outrage by the ... usual suspects ?



Children's movies often send good examples of morals, for adult movies, there is a list but I wont', they strike the heart and mind and it stays on your mind for days and is implanted, which Star Trek, didn't cut it.



After school specials ?
The term, itself, has come to mean simplistic preachy shows.
So as they are obviously aimed at children, can they address adult issues ?

The Star Trek episode with the half white half black people was a set up for the point that, not only, people (or aliens) not trained to hate can't even see the difference, but that the "crew" had to ask and make the superior bigots have to explain just how they are better was beautiful.

It was aired on January 10, 1969.
What else was in the news, that week ?

The trail of the MLK's murderer ?
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Over the next several weeks, the rifle, eyewitness reports, and fingerprints on the weapon ... in March 1969 and pleaded guilty to King's murder in order to avoid the electric chair. ....

Need other examples ?





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When I was a kid in Britain I thought Dr Who was silly. Any change of that opinion would be that I think it is very silly.



My husband was 9 when it started, he thought it awesome, considering at the time there were 2 stations on tv, BBC had one and ITV the other, his thrill didn't last very long though. I can't stand it. I couldn't stand Star Trek either, I did not find it a learning experience or enjoyable. Enjoying sci-fi like that for me started with Star Wars.



Oh, so you're one of them. I'm not a fan of Doctor Who either but Star Trek is a whole different ballgame. I loved it.

Star Wars is claptrap. Pure space opera with guys flying around in space shooting other guys flying around in space. The force might as well be called the farce.

Star Trek had interesting, well-developed characters while Star Wars had two dimensional characters that were pretty much just more scenery.

And while some episodes of Star Trek aren't very good, others are. Ones like "Errand of Mercy" are outstanding. That particular episode turned the standard hero based story line upside down. There was no hero in that story, just a group of powerful aliens who put a stop to a major war. They simply didn't allow the two sides to continue the bloodshed.

Episodes like that are what made Star Trek a classic sci-fi TV series.



I know it was for a lot of people, I'm not a big fan of that genre in the first place so that is why I like the bells and whistles that Star Trek or previous space movies didn't have. If you want a space movie message I'd pick, "The Day the Earth Stood Still." I couldn't stand the acting in "Star Trek" either I thought they were terrible.



Well, at least you've got good taste in science fiction films from the fifties. "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is an all time classic and still fun to watch.

Others from that era I would recommend are "Kronos," "The Brain From Planet Arous," "This Island Earth," "Forbidden Planet," "Return of the Fly" and "Fiend Without A Face."

That last one is about invisible brains that have developed locomotion which creep around and kill people. Quality entertainment.
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If you want a space movie message I'd pick, "The Day the Earth Stood Still."



The original. Not the remake.

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I thought the after school specials sweet but no, I meant movies like "The Wizard of Oz" or "Charlotte's Web." Even "Willie Wonka" has a message or "The Lion King," so do many children's stories like "Cinderella" and nursery rhymes/stories that stay in your mind forever. Lots of animal movies like "The Yearling" also have a message.
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Is that the one where the alien's guide book :
"To Serve Man" turns out be a guide to livestock handling and a cook book ?
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If you want a space movie message I'd pick, "The Day the Earth Stood Still."



The original. Not the remake.




Most definitely, I didn't see the remake.
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I thought the after school specials sweet but no, I meant movies like "The Wizard of Oz" or "Charlotte's Web." Even "Willie Wonka" has a message or "The Lion King," so do many children's stories like "Cinderella" and nursery rhymes/stories that stay in your mind forever. Lots of animal movies like "The Yearling" also have a message.



I agree. The classic, iconographic film, "The Wizard of Oz" is a particularly good example of what is purportedly a child's film having a message not only for children but also adults.

What do you think that message is? Or messages if more than one?
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All through the story each character both good and bad and more than once there is just a few words, a sentence or two that carries messages and morals.
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