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Australian woman fatally shot by police in Minneapolis after calling 911

A woman was shot and killed by a Minneapolis police officer on Saturday after she called 911 to report a possible assault near her home just before midnight, authorities said.

The woman was fatally struck near her home in Minneapolis’ Fulton neighborhood after two police officers responded to the 911 call at around 11:30 p.m., according to authorities.

Officials have not released the woman’s identity, but ABC’s Minnesota affiliate KSTP identified her as a 40-year-old Australian native who had been living in the area with her fiancé. The two were planning to get married next month, according to KSTP.

"My mom is dead because a police officer shot her for reasons I don't know," Damond’s stepson, Zach Damond, told KSTP on Sunday.

The Minneapolis Police Department told ABC News on Sunday that both officers had been placed on paid administrative leave pending investigation.

The Minnesota Department of Public Safety Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is investigating the incident along with the MPD, said that the officers’ body cameras and the squad camera were not on at the time of the shooting. Investigators are working to determine whether any video of the incident exists, the department said.

The BCA said the investigation is in its "very early stages" and more information will become available "once initial interviews with incident participants and any witnesses are complete,” according to a statement released Sunday.

The department said the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s Office would conduct an autopsy to determine the woman’s identity and cause of death. It said the information would be released after her family had been notified.

Minneapolis Mayor Betsy Hodges called the shooting a "tragedy” in a statement released late Sunday.

"Tonight, I’m sad, and disturbed. This is a tragedy—for the family, for a neighborhood I know well, and for our whole city,” Hodges said. “My thoughts are with the family and the community.”

More than 300 people gathered for a vigil on Sunday evening near the site of the shooting.

"Policing, the concept, is an unchecked variable in this nation," one vigil attendee said, according to ABC affiliate KSTP. "What we need to do is be together, and what they've spent centuries doing is keeping us apart."
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This time the police murdered a white woman who obviously was not armed, drunk, or had done anything wrong.

By now it should be pretty clear there is something fundamentally wrong with police in the US.
Since it is so universally systemic, it has to be in their training, which comes from federal sources.

The fact the bodycams were turned off, once again, should not even be possible.

They are incorrectly selecting military veterans, (who should be automatically disqualified), and training them with combat veterans who are totally unqualified to teach the correct legal procedures for civilian use.

The reality is that police should not even be armed at all, and instead should just be gathering information so that suspects can be identified and picked up for questioning later.
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I feel terrible about this but we as of yet don't have enough information to know what happened or why.

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I feel terrible about this but we as of yet don't have enough information to know what happened or why.



And whose fault is that?
Bodycams don't turn themselves off.

The police ended up killing the person who had called them, when there was no dangerous person even near by, since the assailant had long gone.

They can't even claim accidental misfire, because in a situation like this, the safety should have been on, and the chamber not even loaded.

It is only in war combat zone, (or shooting range), that anyone should ever walk around with a loaded chamber and safety off.
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I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

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Bodycams don't turn themselves off.




For once I agree with Rigby.

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Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.
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Bodycams don't turn themselves off.

No they don't. emoticon I hope this freaking' idiot cop is on administrative leave.

Cops today are only trained to kill.

It doesn't matter if she's white, black, or purple with pink polka dots this sh*t needs to stop now. emoticon

This is out of control and beyond a disturbing trend.

It's a tragedy and a travesty. emoticon
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" I hope this freaking' idiot cop is on administrative leave."

Yeah, getting paid for not working will teach him.

Why isn't turning off our body camera "premeditation" ?
The public tries but it just does not have the juice to make sure we get justice even if one of ours is killed.
Think about it.
It is not perfect, but it points to how being a cop is a license to kill, now, in America.
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Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?

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I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?




average citizens, accidentally.
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Once again someone is killed by the police and this time it wasn't a black person, which illustrates that the problem goes beyond racism. It's a police training problem and probably also a problem of whom they allow to join police departments. Some of them appear to be too scared and ready to shoot at someone, anyone.

Should the police be disarmed? I believe they should be. They appear to be too often far too incompetent with them.

But their incompetence with guns indicates that guns are a problem in general. If well-trained cops can't be trusted with them who can?
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I know I know, give em Water Blasters so they can piss you off wet!! That will be better especially n the heat of the summer!!
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Yeah, getting paid for not working will teach him.


What else would you do with him while this is being investigated?


 

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" I hope this freaking' idiot cop is on administrative leave."

Yeah, getting paid for not working will teach him.

Why isn't turning off our body camera "premeditation" ?
The public tries but it just does not have the juice to make sure we get justice even if one of ours is killed.
Think about it.
It is not perfect, but it points to how being a cop is a license to kill, now, in America.




It is my guess that the body cam was on until the situation went bad, and then they wiped it clean and claimed it was never on.
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quote:

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I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?




average citizens, accidentally.



No, average citizens who are armed and have a permit to carry a firearm have killed zero people in OR, even though there are about 5 times as many of them as there are cops.
In contrast, the smaller group of cops have killed hundreds.
That is because cops are instructed to shoot at the slightest provocation, and have no repercussions to face. Average citizens face far greater scrutiny.
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Once again someone is killed by the police and this time it wasn't a black person, which illustrates that the problem goes beyond racism. It's a police training problem and probably also a problem of whom they allow to join police departments. Some of them appear to be too scared and ready to shoot at someone, anyone.

Should the police be disarmed? I believe they should be. They appear to be too often far too incompetent with them.

But their incompetence with guns indicates that guns are a problem in general. If well-trained cops can't be trusted with them who can?



Cops are NOT well trained.
They are trained to kill at the slightest doubt.
Average people are hundreds of times less dangerous than police, with firearms or anything.

People really do NOT want to shoot anyone, and they work very hard to beak police of their civilized habits and make them into killers.
It is not easy, but they managed to accomplish it.

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quote:

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quote:

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I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?




average citizens, accidentally.



No, average citizens who are armed and have a permit to carry a firearm have killed zero people in OR, even though there are about 5 times as many of them as there are cops.
In contrast, the smaller group of cops have killed hundreds.
That is because cops are instructed to shoot at the slightest provocation, and have no repercussions to face. Average citizens face far greater scrutiny.



I think you should be waiting for all the facts to come out if you are still talking about this instance.

i see several scenario

1. officer deliberately shot her (murder)
2. accidental discharge
3. officer thought she was a threat

 
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Cops are NOT well trained.
They are trained to kill at the slightest doubt.


Exactly their problems. There would be less killing if they were trained to try to handle situations in a better manner.
As it is now, they are trained to kill only with the slightest provocation. So wrong.

Yes people get angry, yes they smart mouth cops, they don't always follow [sign in to see URL] are not reasons to be shot and killed. Most are trained to be robo-cops.

We need more responsible police instead of the trained trigger happy psychopaths that are now enforcing the/their laws.

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quote:

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quote:

snowpixie wrote:

quote:

John1959 wrote:

I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?




average citizens, accidentally.



No, average citizens who are armed and have a permit to carry a firearm have killed zero people in OR, even though there are about 5 times as many of them as there are cops.
In contrast, the smaller group of cops have killed hundreds.
That is because cops are instructed to shoot at the slightest provocation, and have no repercussions to face. Average citizens face far greater scrutiny.



I think you should be waiting for all the facts to come out if you are still talking about this instance.

i see several scenario

1. officer deliberately shot her (murder)
2. accidental discharge
3. officer thought she was a threat

 



The latest report this morning from USA Today. Doesn't sound like an accidental discharge of his firearm and if the cop acted out of fear what was he afraid of? An unarmed woman?

Sounds like it may have been number one on your list.

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MINNEAPOLIS — A woman that a Minneapolis police officer killed in the alley behind her home died of a gunshot wound to the abdomen in a homicide, the county medical examiner said late Monday.

Justine Ruszczyk Damond, 40, a bride-to-be who was to be wed in August and already had begun using her fiancé's surname, was shot Saturday after calling 911 to report what she believed was a sexual assault in progress nearby.

"We lost the dearest of people and we are desperate for information." Her fiancé, Don Damond, said police have provided him and his family little information regarding what happened after police arrived.

Justine Damond, originally trained as a veterinarian, came to Minneapolis about three years ago to be with her fiancé, and she had been teaching and speaking at the Lake Harriet Spiritual Community in Minneapolis for more than two years, said Nancy Coune, administrator at the center.

A Minneapolis police officer on the force since March 2015, Mohamed Noor, has been identified as one who pulled the trigger, reportedly from the passenger seat of his squad car. He and his partner, who has not been identified, have been placed on paid administrative leave while the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigates the case.

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quote:

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Once again someone is killed by the police and this time it wasn't a black person, which illustrates that the problem goes beyond racism. It's a police training problem and probably also a problem of whom they allow to join police departments. Some of them appear to be too scared and ready to shoot at someone, anyone.

Should the police be disarmed? I believe they should be. They appear to be too often far too incompetent with them.

But their incompetence with guns indicates that guns are a problem in general. If well-trained cops can't be trusted with them who can?



Cops are NOT well trained.
They are trained to kill at the slightest doubt.
Average people are hundreds of times less dangerous than police, with firearms or anything.

People really do NOT want to shoot anyone, and they work very hard to beak police of their civilized habits and make them into killers.
It is not easy, but they managed to accomplish it.



It certainly appears that far too many cops are not well-trained. So much emphasis has been placed on cops taking no chances that the potential innocent victims of unnecessary gun use have apparently been overlooked.

This society needs to keep in mind that while cops are important they aren't more important than the victims of their unnecessary shootings. Having cops running around shooting innocent people is not law and order. Just the opposite.
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They are not well trained in fight or flight, they are not well trained to handle the mentally ill, addicts or alcoholics out of control or it seems how to behave to the general public. I think there is another issue, Portland is in need of hiring 100 cops, and quoted, "we are doing it as fast as we can" I believe they are so short of anyone wanting to be cops around this nation they are letting some slide through that shouldn't.
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Could there be a 4th scenario, there is something 'wrong' with the cop? It is the strangest story to have a cop that is in the passenger side shoot across his partner through his partner's door, with an unarmed person in their pajamas reporting a crime, if it is the way it is to have happened. I'm wondering what cop driver thought about a bullet whizzing by, shooting and killing what seems to be a very innocent victim, who this time was not a suspected criminal.
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All professions have people who are not qualified or are not capable of performing the job properly.

The number of people shot and killed by cops is far less than the number of people shot and killed by other citizens or by themselves.

This is what happens when guns are prevalent in a society.

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quote:

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Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?



Nope.
It is common logic in reply to YOUR question.
If you want the data, find it and post it in support of YOUR OWN (fake news ? ) contention.
You do have a computer, right ?
Here, learn to use it:
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Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ? emoticon

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All professions have people who are not qualified or are not capable of performing the job properly.

The number of people shot and killed by cops is far less than the number of people shot and killed by other citizens or by themselves.

This is what happens when guns are prevalent in a society.



I agree all professions have those who are not qualified or capable and yet people cover up and keep them on. If you are in a position of having a weapon and having someones life in your hands, someone is doing a very poor job in weeding these people out or letting them in at all and it shouldn't be the same as "all professions" same with doctors, these people should be held to a far higher standard as it isn't the same as "all professions."
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quote:

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quote:

Geezess wrote:

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?



Nope.
It is common logic in reply to YOUR question.
If you want the data, find it and post it in support of YOUR OWN (fake news ? ) contention.
You do have a computer, right ?
Here, learn to use it:
[sign in to see URL]

Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ? emoticon




You need to choose your words more carefully, there is no need to be that rude.
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"A Minneapolis police officer on the force since March 2015, Mohamed Noor, has been identified as one who pulled the trigger, reportedly from the passenger seat of his squad car."

So how the killer cop was in any danger from an unarmed woman ?
How far away was she (being behind her house, as reported ) from the squad car at time of her being shot ?
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quote:

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quote:

John1959 wrote:
quote:

Geezess wrote:
Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?

per thousand ?
Cops.



Care to share your source for this?



Nope.
It is common logic in reply to YOUR question.
If you want the data, find it and post it in support of YOUR OWN (fake news ? ) contention.
You do have a computer, right ?
Here, learn to use it:
[sign in to see URL]

Who else is sick and tired of the neo-know nothings, propaganda games ? emoticon




So you don't want to share a source and you claim it is "common logic".

OK, then I'll post what I have found;


963 people have been shot and killed by police in 2016.
[sign in to see URL]

That seems to be what is reported for each of last few years - somewhere around 1,000.


The number of all firearm deaths in 2014 was 33,594 according to the CDC.
[sign in to see URL]

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quote:

Rigby5 wrote:

quote:

snowpixie wrote:

quote:

John1959 wrote:

I'll respond by simply posing a question;

Who shoots and kills more people, cops or average citizens?




average citizens, accidentally.



No, average citizens who are armed and have a permit to carry a firearm have killed zero people in OR, even though there are about 5 times as many of them as there are cops.
In contrast, the smaller group of cops have killed hundreds.
That is because cops are instructed to shoot at the slightest provocation, and have no repercussions to face. Average citizens face far greater scrutiny.



I think you should be waiting for all the facts to come out if you are still talking about this instance.

i see several scenario

1. officer deliberately shot her (murder)
2. accidental discharge
3. officer thought she was a threat

 



There can not possibly be any excuse for any of the 3 listed causes.

Any cop who chambers a round or has the safety off is guilty of conduct regardless of life and a murder if someone dies.

Thinking a person is a threat is never an excuse. There are lots of better means of dealing with threats than firing a gun in urban setting, where people could easily be killed accidentally.
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