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Here in MO the State legislature passed a Right To Work bill, State Senate Bill 19 in February. I keep hearing from people that knew I was Union how the State was just fighting to help the working families with the bill while I keep telling them it has nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in wording as to helping anyone.

This is the final writ:
http://www.senate.mo.gov/17info/pdf-bill/perf/SB19.pdf

All it states summarily is that you do not have to be required to enter into or pay a Union to represent you in a position.

In doing that it shuts down the access to funds to maintain the Unions for representation of workers. Basically closing the doors on Unions. When the last Union hold outs leave on retirement then the gate to the pasture is left open for the remaining benefits to leave with them. Companies will no longer have to bargain in good faith with large employee populations, they no longer have to pay a even scale, they can institute or deny any scale they wish as they wish and may trip benefits on or off as they deem so in writing as law.

If you anger a boss you can kiss any merit raises away while those that suck up regardless of how perform can retain theirs.
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Collective bargaining should be required by law, because no individual can hold his own against a big company, that holds his health insurance over his head.
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This also alludes to my previous post in that without a Union backing it apprenticeships are most certainly done. No skills no jobs so in essence this HURTS employee families not help them.
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quote:

cooter50 wrote:

Here in MO the State legislature passed a Right To Work bill, State Senate Bill 19 in February. I keep hearing from people that knew I was Union how the State was just fighting to help the working families with the bill while I keep telling them it has nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in wording as to helping anyone.

This is the final writ:
http://www.senate.mo.gov/17info/pdf-bill/perf/SB19.pdf

All it states summarily is that you do not have to be required to enter into or pay a Union to represent you in a position.

In doing that it shuts down the access to funds to maintain the Unions for representation of workers. Basically closing the doors on Unions. When the last Union hold outs leave on retirement then the gate to the pasture is left open for the remaining benefits to leave with them. Companies will no longer have to bargain in good faith with large employee populations, they no longer have to pay a even scale, they can institute or deny any scale they wish as they wish and may trip benefits on or off as they deem so in writing as law.

If you anger a boss you can kiss any merit raises away while those that suck up regardless of how perform can retain theirs.




You're absolutely right, Cooter.

At first people can get the benefits from the union without joining and paying dues to support that union.

When enough people do this, then it's bye bye union.

When that happens, employees lose their bargaining power.

Then the companies have all the power.

So-called "right to work" laws are a scam on the average worker.

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Thanks for that John. Condolences for those that are still working in those RTW states.
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“In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, such as ‘right to work.’ It is a law to rob us of our civil rights and job rights.
Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining by which unions have improved wages and working conditions of everyone…Wherever these laws have been passed, wages are lower, job opportunities are fewer and there are no civil rights. We do not intend to let them do this to us. We demand this fraud be stopped. Our weapon is our vote.” —Martin Luther King, speaking about right-to-work laws in 1961

http://www.epi.org/publication/martin_luther_king_on_right_to_work/

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Hard to believe the Democrats and Republicans ignored this factoid for all these decades.
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You're opposed to mandatory health insurance but in favor of forced union membership.
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It is not forced Gop, if a prospective employee wishes to enter a employment at a company that has Union work force then it is appropriate they join to also enjoy the benefits argued for by those representing the employees as a UNION. They do not wish to be Union then work at any of the availed Non-Union shops of the region. You want Union level wage and benefits packages without the cost to support the Union then deal with what you can find or argue for on your own.

In my working career I was Non-union in several states where under RTW regs as a Union came in to challenge the employer and try to organize the shops the employers inevitably shut the shops down a short time to thwart that organization. If it is not a bad deal for the employee and is for employer is the only reason that comes to mind. I have been 777 IAMAW(Int'l Assn of Machinist and Aerospace Workers, 600 Teamsters, 618 Teamster and 148 IUOE (Int'l Union of Operating Engineers). Had decent benefits packages with all of them save the 777 machinists who had their teeth pulled with aviation shops closures and the advent of more limiting production pay rates in auto garages in the 80's.

MO RTW allows the employees to decline Union membership while enjoying those benefits agreed to by the Union representation UNTIL that dissolves to minimal or ends where the employers have free reign to shut down any or all as there is no longer group or even corporate wide bargaining.
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I will also state that in those shops non-union I witnessed engineered firings for 'Disciplinary' actions to align openings for friends or the children of the 'golden hair' suck-ass employees. There is nothing on paper but the employer's arguments as to employee failures and as such the 'witnesses from inside the shops usually got reprimands to unpaid time off to be taught to not follow in their co-worker's footsteps. I also was one of those laid off when unions presented themselves to organize shops in RTW states.
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