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What if the South won the Civil War?


What if the South won the Civil War?

HBO's plans to do a television series slated for 2019 called "Confederate," led by producers David Benioff and D.B Weiss, the creators of the very popular "Game of Thrones." The premise of their show is an alternative history in which the Confederacy actually wins the Civil War. It is set in present day.

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[Its hard to imagine a television series about present day America where slavery is nation wide because the South won the Civil war. Why would anyone bring about the anger that would be sure to follow from black Americans confronted with such an idea? The Confederate flag flying over the White House alone would bring protests and violence. It's a crazy idea and I hope these people come to their senses. What do you think.]


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Even had the south been victorious it is doubtful the institution of slavery would have survived for very long.
However I imagine the laws concerning race would be rather unpleasant and the civil war might well have been repeated, perhaps several times. Some northern states may have tried to become part of Canada.
I can't imagine the US having the status it has now had the south won. I rather think America would not have been able to push its weight around the way it does now.

As to the tv production of "what if?" - they'd have to make it very, very clear that it is simply fantasy
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Even had the south been victorious it is doubtful the institution of slavery would have survived for very long.



I don't agree. We cannot possibly know, but it most likely would have continued for several decades. When I was born, blacks in the South did not have equality. That took about 100 years after the end of slavery.

Not having seen this series, I can't say much about it. It's possible that their goal is to get people to understand what the war was truly about considering so many Americans do not seem to know.

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What if the South won the Civil War?

Which side would they have on during WWII ?
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Odd that no one wishes to deal with that fair question, isn't it ?
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Fair question.
The chances are the US would still have gone into WWI because the South was even tighter with England than the North was.
So then likely the US would still then also have gone into WWII as an ally of England.
White supremacy was not really an issue with Germany. Germany was bigoted, but those they thought inferior, like Poles, Slavs, and Jews, were also white.
 The South and Nazis would not have gotten along.

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WWII is all speculation.

The point is that if the South had won slavery would have continued and spread to new states joining the union.

How long slavery would have remained legal we can only guess. No doubt abolitionists would have continued the fight.


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Slavery was always in contradiction to the concept of a democratic republic, and even the South had to be aware of that because they still insisted on the 3/5ths represenation rule as far as electoral college votes per state.

{...The Three-Fifths Compromise was a compromise reached between delegates from southern states and those from northern states during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. The debate was over whether, and if so, how, slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population for legislative representation and taxing purposes. The issue was important, as this population number would then be used to determine the number of seats that the state would have in the United States House of Representatives for the next ten years. The effect was to give the southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignored, but fewer than if slaves and free persons had been counted equally, allowing the slaveholder interests to largely dominate the government of the United States until 1861.[1] The compromise was proposed by delegates James Wilson and Roger Sherman. ...}

But slavery was always uneconomical as well, since people always work harder and faster if motivated by the illusion of opportunity.
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"So then likely the US would still then also have gone into WWII as an ally of England."

Really ?
First, the Victorian British interest in the American South was geo-political, and just a passing folly, so not really in The Empire's best economic interest .
What did the American South have that there was not more of, (and better quality like Egyptian cotton) than elsewhere in their Empire ?
 
Now, still, as the Confederate flag wavers showed this weekend, the CSA would have shared the same racist, law and order, and elitist values as whom ?

If you look at WWI as your basis, are you being narrow minded. Never mind the dominate
isolationist attitudes over that war between Queen Victorian's grandchildren fairly being thought of having nothing to do with us, and then ask why would the CSA care about the Germans sinking a ship carrying Yankee arms to Britain ?

Granted it speculation, but remember that the British Empire was "abolitionist" from 1830, and so with whom would Ole Dixie interest and
sympathies been with in the Boer War ?

  

 
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quote:

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What if the South won the Civil War?

Which side would they have on during WWII ?



America might have sent help to the Axis powers rather than the Allies and thus Japan wouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor and nudged the Nazis into declaring war on the US..
So perhaps America would have stayed out of the whole mess. The Allies would still have won. (After all the Soviets had more or less wiped them by the time the Germans declared war on the US.)
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