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Sex education in America


John Oliver tells it like it is

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See: Trump’s dominionist prayer warriors,
another thread here at TPG.

It is much the same topic.
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Sex education in America. My exposure to it took place in 1967 in the back seat of my Grandfather's Buick.

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Could be worse. Mine was from a Sears and Roebucks catalog.
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Them there lingerie ads ...
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If you doubt that people like this exist ...

School Board President Says Sex Ed Can Make Kids Gay
   
'Well Maybe You Just Swayed the Kid to Go That Way'


A California school board president is under fire in his conservative county after making inaccurate comments about sex education, making offensive comments about LGBT people, refusing to apologize, and claiming his religious and free speech rights are being challenged. He is adamantly refusing to resign.

In a five hour school board meeting Wednesday that was open to the public, Fresno Unified School Board President Brooke Ashjian listened to concerned parents speak in support and opposition of him and his remarks.

It was Ashjian's comments earlier this month to a local newspaper that created anger, pain, and upset throughout the school district. Included among his remarks were his belief that telling children being gay is OK can make them gay.

Ashjian had told The Fresno Bee his "biggest fear in teaching" sex education is "you have kids who are extremely moldable at this stage, and if you start telling them that LGBT is OK and that it’s a way of life, well maybe you just swayed the kid to go that way."

That is of course false.

“It’s so important for parents to teach these Judeo-Christian philosophies,” he added, as if being LGBT is immoral. The Fresno Bee identified Ashjian as Mormon.

Wednesday night's meeting became very emotional, with one person saying it made them sick to their stomach.

"Ashjian spurned demands for his resignation from people in the audience at an overflow board meeting Wednesday night, and equated LGBT activists, who have opposed him, with Ottoman Turks," The Fresno Bee reports. "In a two-page letter that Ashjian read into the record, he said LGBT leaders were attacking his faith and trying to silence him and force him from his school board, tactics he said were akin to what the Ottoman Turks did to Armenians leading up to the 1915 genocide."

A Trump supporter, Ashjian concluded his remarks by saying open debate is what "makes America Great."

KSEE anchor Megan Rupe posted the text of his remarks to Twitter:

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Just spoke with @BrookeAshjian. Asked him about the support tonight. His comments at 11, he also shared this statement he plans to read:
12:48 AM - Aug 24, 2017



"These individuals who are personally attacking me and my religious foundation while demanding my resignation, I ask why?" Ashjian said in his statement, which he read aloud (video below). "Is it simply because I exercised my Constitutional rights of freedom of speech while I was doing my duty or isn’t something more nefarious, like simply desiring to muzzle anyone who dares not fall in line with the narrative of the day."

"It is sad, they like the Ottomans are trying to be the thought police," Ashjian said of LGBT activists. "They are trying to make people of faith second class citizens, as they seek to silence our voices in the public square. Just like what my grandparents and millions of other grandparents had to endure at the hands of the Ottomans before escaping to America."

"I will NOT resign my position and I will not be silenced by bullies who want to control the public narrative by mischaracterizing the intent and meaning of my statements. My comments were not intended to offend anyone, but to simply express a concern. If we as board members cannot openly and honestly express concerns without being marginalized and labeled, then why do we even have a board?"

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It's important to note that no where in his remarks did Ashjian mention anything about the LGBTQ students he is supposed to be serving. He did not mention what effect his remarks might have on young LGBTQ children or teens, or what lessons might be taught by this very public display of animus against them.

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Shiftless, I may have doubted that people like this exist prior to 2002, the year I started reading cyberspace boards.
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So are you stating that ALL educator directors are like this? Or that there is a disproportionate number of them like this? That sex education is directly controlled by ALL school boards membership?

What is your point?

I got mine at 12 with a neighbor girl in the backseat of their family station wagon, also took up smoking as thought that cool then. Made better sense as to what we were up to when I attended sex ed class in 7th grade(age 13), learned a great deal more from lonely/Horney trucking widow in 1970's as to what to do, how to do and why it was better for both!!
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I know not all areas are like this, my grand kids sex education has been quite detailed and it has been factual, enough that I have felt uncomfortable a couple times but that is to bad for me. I'm glad they have learned what they have, it makes it easier for me to add my two cents.

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So are you stating that ALL educator directors are like this?



When did I say that? All I said is that I find it hard to believe that people like this exist. Of course, if I want more proof that they do all I have to do is look at some of the discussion boards out there and I can find plenty of examples.

As the video in the OP explains, sex ed programs are controlled at the local level so idiots like this have a disproportionate impact on what, if anything, kids are taught.

In fairness, this sort of nonsense isn't restricted to the US - even in Canada where things are relatively sane you'll find people that go nuts about sex ed. There was a recent kerfuffle in Toronto about a revised sex ed program (the changes were actually relatively minor and the majority of people objecting hadn't even read the new guidelines - many of them were repeating what they had been told in their church or mosque.)
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So you create a stir for a potential 2, maybe 5 even as high as 10% of school district administrators? So 90% are suspect even as may not have such disastrous attitude?

What then do you say of the African American Coach forcing young girls into splits for the benefit of his attitude that he could develop them into world class cheerleaders in Denver? He has been suspended without pay while an inquiry is being performed yet he came from ANOTHER SCHOOL where he was chastised for the very same condition. Are all schools suspect of poor judgement now?
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You'd have to find the stats to know but I would say it is far greater than 10% when you think of the south and the Bible Belt.
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Would need be documented as for the south even the Bible belt they have Federal public schools standards they must meet. As to my schooling it was in a Catholic School where I would not have expected such explicit descriptors or detailed anatomy due to the religious basis of the school but they stayed quite the opposite teaching boys and girls of the use and function as well the hygiene required of the genitalia. Lay teachers taught the class.
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States have three main choices to receive federal funds, abstinence-only program, abstinence-plus and comprehensive sex education. My grand kids are getting the full Monty. I am going to assume that many states are not teaching about anal sex, oral sex, transgenders and gays especially about gays being a normal family. I will also assume other bits and pieces are left off as well.
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My sex education in high school was almost nil, the reproductive system was taught in the last quarter of my senior year and it was called "Health" bit late at least I knew that much years before. No sex education though, nothing about STD's or birth control or even abstinence.
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Have to admit they did teach or hit upon Gay in the 60's in Catholic School, even as played down as a alternate lifestyle there were depictions of and attempts to delve into the thought line as to Lesbian and Gay.

My own Cousin a 68 year old is openly Lesbian, has been since the 1970's. She however tends to rotate partners as many straight and gay do, keeping a partner for around ten years then moving to someone else. Do not know if familiarity or just bored or any other displeasure is her cause to do so.
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When you look at the divorce rate or how many marriages and partners people go through, I don't find her any different than anyone else.
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States have three main choices to receive federal funds, abstinence-only program, abstinence-plus and comprehensive sex education. My grand kids are getting the full Monty. I am going to assume that many states are not teaching about anal sex, oral sex, transgenders and gays especially about gays being a normal family. I will also assume other bits and pieces are left off as well.



Although it's delivered in a humorous vein the vid in the OP makes that clear.

As it points out, there are even two versions of many of the films in use - one version explains the nuts and bolts and talks about how it's a major decision, safe sex and the whole bit. The other one says "don't do it". No education, nothing. Just don't. And that doesn't work.
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