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There is a premise, they wish to inflict as much carnage in as many ways as possible as they can upon those they cannot turn to Islam. Radical Islam. There is no stop block save destroying them in totality to stop this.



Oh I think invading Iraq, causing all the Sunni to become permanently unemployed, tens of thousands held without trial for half a decade, etc., is what caused ISIS, not Islam.

Is there such a think as "Radical Islam"?
There are no clerics supporting it, so then how can it be at all Islamic?



It depends on how you define the word "radical." I tend to think of all of Islam as being fairly radical since it is based on some pretty radical bullshit about a guy wandering around in the desert receiving an extensive and exclusive message from Allah. A notion that makes absolutely no sense.

Once people are mentally capable of believing that level of crap all bets are off. They become capable of believing just about anything including the notion that extreme violence against innocent fellow Muslims is justified as well as against non-Muslims. Islam divides humans into enemy combatants who wouldn't be enemies without the religion.



Actually the message from God was basically the Old Testament, with a few improvements, such as women had souls, should be able to inherit, own property, and divorce.

Violence against non-Muslim invaders attempting to steal land, oil, etc., do deserve violence.
Muslim sell outs to the west also deserve violence.
It does not take religion to see that.
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There is a premise, they wish to inflict as much carnage in as many ways as possible as they can upon those they cannot turn to Islam. Radical Islam. There is no stop block save destroying them in totality to stop this.



Oh I think invading Iraq, causing all the Sunni to become permanently unemployed, tens of thousands held without trial for half a decade, etc., is what caused ISIS, not Islam.

Is there such a think as "Radical Islam"?
There are no clerics supporting it, so then how can it be at all Islamic?



It depends on how you define the word "radical." I tend to think of all of Islam as being fairly radical since it is based on some pretty radical bullshit about a guy wandering around in the desert receiving an extensive and exclusive message from Allah. A notion that makes absolutely no sense.

Once people are mentally capable of believing that level of crap all bets are off. They become capable of believing just about anything including the notion that extreme violence against innocent fellow Muslims is justified as well as against non-Muslims. Islam divides humans into enemy combatants who wouldn't be enemies without the religion.



Actually the message from God was basically the Old Testament, with a few improvements, such as women had souls, should be able to inherit, own property, and divorce.

Violence against non-Muslim invaders attempting to steal land, oil, etc., do deserve violence.
Muslim sell outs to the west also deserve violence.
It does not take religion to see that.



Even if those categories of folks did deserve violence some Muslim attackers haven't just attacked them. They have also gone after Sufi Muslims who are generally peaceful Muslims as well as Shiite Muslims like those in Iran who were not sell outs to the West.

Of course they've also attacked non-Muslims in random groups who were not in any way threatening Muslim lives. Some Shiite Muslims have also condemned people of the Bahai faith which is one of the most peaceful in the world. There have been other major conflicts between Muslims and people of other religions.

Islam generates problems because it requires and sustains far too high a level of irrationality not to cause them.

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Their targets are not chosen by context but a random targeting of availability, despicable.
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Just on CBS Morning, this was a piece of a three point attack, very thought out, poorly executed with human suicide bomb carriers and other issues.

Found this link
http://www.businessinsider.com/barcelona-attack-cambrills-police-hunt-driver-death-toll-13-las-ramblas-2017-8
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There is a premise, they wish to inflict as much carnage in as many ways as possible as they can upon those they cannot turn to Islam. Radical Islam. There is no stop block save destroying them in totality to stop this.



Two fold, destroy the west and destroy other Muslims that do not practice Wahabism or are Salafi Jihadists, that is why there are so many terror attacks in the ME. Pakistan has already had two dozen this year killing almost a thousand civilians. However it is decreasing in 2009 there were over 11,000, deaths of civilians. In Pakistan alone from 2003 to present almost 22,000 have been murdered in just one country.
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Terrible. Senseless slaughter of the innocent. It is the age of hatred incarnate and no place is safe. I struggle to understand what has happened to humanity.



I suspect, since I can only guess, that the cause is us ignoring far worse things for decades.
For example, who has paid for their crimes murdering over 1.5 million innocent Iraqis in the last couple of decades?
Who has paid for the crimes of causing 11 million Palestinians to be without a country and many without their homes?

It is wrong to ignore the big crimes and then complain about the little ones in retaliation.

But again I can only guess because Barcelona seems a poor target for retribution?
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Las Ramblas is a perfect target. Lot's of their enemies are there on holiday including plenty of Americans and British. I think Barcelona is probably the city where I encountered the most Americans on holiday. There gripe isn't just with US, Germany, France, Belgium, UK but with the west period. Any crowded western city from here to Australia can be a target, especially by those lone wolves.
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Las Ramblas is a perfect target. Lot's of their enemies are there on holiday including plenty of Americans and British. I think Barcelona is probably the city where I encountered the most Americans on holiday. There gripe isn't just with US, Germany, France, Belgium, UK but with the west period. Any crowded western city from here to Australia can be a target, especially by those lone wolves.



Then we not only should not be surprised, but could have easily avoid it by not doing bad things in the past.

"Chickens coming home to roost".

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So far however, the effects of Trump have been good.
What happened in Charlottesville was always there, but in hiding.
Now it is out in the open finally.
The remaining hidden corruption that needs to be exposed is our international imperialism.
And what people have yet to understand is how the Democratic party is as fascist as any of them.
It was Clinton's 1994 federal crime bill, the war on drugs, the end of Glass-Steagall, mandatory insurance, regime change, etc. that were the real fascism.

Those thinking that if only HRC had been elected instead, then everything would be fine, are totally wrong.
Then things would have been much, much worse.
At least now people are considering what actually might have to change.
And it is a lot more then just a candidate.
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Please explain why the effects of Trump has "been good" I see no leadership, I see a WH in chaos, I see a population who doesn't have a clue what is going on because we have no leader, I see this transcending political sides into a whole new realm of a man who doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Hillary? Other than crazy Ben Carson, I'd chose anyone on the republican stage in the primary. Trump reminds me of what horrible things go on in some other countries, like Italy. emoticon
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