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What is happening to liberals in this country?


What is happening to liberals in this country?

Conservatives students at UC Berkeley face everything from insults to threats of violence. While UC-Berkeley does not keep statistics on its students’ political leanings, the school has long been known as one of the country’s centers for liberal and progressive thought and now – following a slew of high profile, violent protests against controversial conservative speakers on campus – Chow and other likeminded students say that life has become more difficult for anyone

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[I don't like Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter but who cares? They have a right to speak at any gathering, anywhere they are invited to. Many young liberals at liberal universities seem to think they have the right to decide when free speech ends and where one acceptable view of the world begins. Is this what progressive liberalism has become? Is this "progressive"?

We can't call the right wing "fascists" when we act like a bunch of brown shirts storming around in our psychological jackboots! We should be listening to other views quietly and respectively then go our way peacefully. Threats and smashing heads should never be our way of dealing with other ideas. What do you think? Do you [sign in to see URL] not?]



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They cannot have their designed 'way' with the nation as they had for the last eight years and in infantile gesture seek to lash out in tantrums.

VERY childish attitudes much as when Hillary was NOT announced as winner sitting on the ground screaming "NOOOOOO". Much as a spoiled brat.
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First off, I oppose the use of violence or threats of violence. Anyone that does so is not on my side, even if we seek the same goals.

If you listen to the disgusting things these people (Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter) say, do you truly expect others to respond with respect?

Speaking at a university isn't a right, it's a privilege. And while listening to different views is a good thing, there are limits.

Is there any point at which we say someone should not be given a platform? If someone wants to speak about why rape is a good thing, should they be welcomed?

That's a part of the problem in the U.S. today; We have people saying horrible things and it's treated like nothing. Maybe that's why we have a president who talked about groping women.

I'll gladly listen to different views - things like why we shouldn't raise taxes or raise the minimum wage - but when someone presents views that blacks or Muslims are inferior to whites, end of discussion.

And when allow people to talk like that, when we turn it into 'a different opinion', it validates it.

It's like saying that both MLK and Hitler said something worth considering.

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I agree John and I also think as adults coming out owing thousands of dollars for their education, students also have rights.
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There are 2 seemingly opposing concept here, so don't jump to conclusions.

First of all, it is way past the time for starting to use violence. Things like the lies used to murder over a million Iraqis and Afghans are more than enough reason to start stringing people up to lamp posts. In fact it is irresponsible not to. And that goes for those preventing single payer as well.

But those CALLING themselves liberals are not at all. There is nothing liberal at all about the Clintons, supporting the federal crime bill, mandatory private health insurance, gun control, wars including Somalia, Bosnia, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran, etc.

Let me repeat this, it is impossible to be a real liberal, (believe in equality and individual liberties), and support gun control, (the elite having a monopoly on the source of all political power).

The problem is not violence. That is long over due. The problem is not knowing anything, being totally ignorant, and just wanting things you don't understand.
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So we kill persons in foreign countries is a reason to kill our own? Will you be first Rigby?
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So we kill persons in foreign countries is a reason to kill our own? Will you be first Rigby?



Another question would be; Where were all the gun owners when we went and murdered all those Iraqis and Afghans? What's the point of owning guns to prevent this "tyranny" if they are never used to stop it?


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I do not believe in defeating our opponents by becoming them.

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So we kill persons in foreign countries is a reason to kill our own? Will you be first Rigby?



Absolutely when people in your own country have caused millions of innocent to be murdered, you have to start taking responsibility and fighting back with all the violence available to you.

I already did my stint.
It is for others to do theirs.
It should be clear to everyone the Military Industrial Complex must be destroyed, and they will fight back with violence.
So there is no way around the violence.

As an side, how can anyone think those millions murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan are any less important than people here, without being a racist bigot?
Would everyone here be up in arms if a million US citizens had been murdered by the Military Industrial Complex?
Of course they would.
How is that not an admission of racism?
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So we kill persons in foreign countries is a reason to kill our own? Will you be first Rigby?



Another question would be; Where were all the gun owners when we went and murdered all those Iraqis and Afghans? What's the point of owning guns to prevent this "tyranny" if they are never used to stop it?



They were lied to and believed the lies at the time. (I was never fooled.)
But now that we know it was all lies, how do we not act on that injustice, and how do we prevent repetition?

(we certainly can not prevent repetition by disarming everyone but the Military Industrial Complex.)

The hesitancy to use personal weapons against a corrupt state is not a failing, but proof that ordinary citizens are inherently less violent and therefore vastly superior to paid mercenaries like police or the military.
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