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I agree with should fix our gun laws.

I think there was less gun violence in the past because people were more familiar with guns.
So we need to make firearms safety classes mandatory in high schools.
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Especially after all the money that comes outta the military spending to sponsor the dog and show before the game, right Mr. VP ?

The military paid pro sports teams $10.4 million for patriotic displays ...
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Too late.
Here is a 1600 Blunderbuss, loaded with 20 shot, it could kill more than 20 people each time it was fired.

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By 1500 they have grape shot canisters to be fired from cannon that the founders encouraged average citizens to buy.
As many as 100 people could be torn apart each time it was fired.

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The Punt gun was common by 1700, and could sweep an entire flock of geese from the sky with a single shot. It essentially is a 2 guage shotgun and could easily kill about 30 people in a single shot.

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Not to mention the use of bayonets, cutlasses, sword canes, etc.

Here is a typical musket ball.
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Here is a modern assault weapon bullet, that you will notice is a tiny little sliver.
The musket ball could be 3 times the diameter, and about 10 times the weight.

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Firearms actually were a lot more lethal then as compared to now.


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Just a fundraising stunt...

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Yes, weapons have become less powerful and less deadly over the years because that's always the goal... in some other reality.

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That is pretty ignorant.

The military has been very clear in their constant reduction of bullet size, mass, and energy, that they found it uses more enemy resources if you wound instead of kill.
For every enemy wounded, it takes 7 other people out of the fight in order to take care of them.

For rifles, during the revolution .72 caliber was common, the Civil was tended to use more .50 caliber, WWI was .30 caliber, and Vietnam was .223.

For pistols it went from .50 caliber to .45 during WWI and WWII, to 9 mm now.

Constant size, mass, and energy reduction.
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The musket balls didn't alway kill someone right away, but very few wounded survived.
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The revolutionary war started out with weapons designed to kill large animals, like moose or buffalo, even at very long range.

Average modern military weapons can't shoot more than 300 yards, and have such a tiny little bullet, they rarely kill.
The are so weak they are illegal to use for hunting, because the animal would get away and slowly die painfully.
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So what ?

Do you think that "bump stocks" are a criminal conspiracy to circumvent the well established regulations about automatic weapon ownership ?
Why not ?
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So what ?

Do you think that "bump stocks" are a criminal conspiracy to circumvent the well established regulations about automatic weapon ownership ?
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Oh I agree bump stocks make no sense.
If full auto is illegal, then bump stocks should be illegal.
But I don't think full auto should or really ca be illegal.
In fact, if anything can be made illegal with firearms, it has to be by state laws.
The feds have absolutely no firearms jurisdiction at all.
For the feds to have firearm jurisdiction, it would have to be explicitly granted in the constitution.
It isn't.
And in fact it is explicitly prohibited.
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"But I don't think full auto should or really ca be illegal."

Oh.
Okay.
That is your premise, so defend it positively.
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Didn't you know? That's why the military moved away from muzzle loaders. After all, rapid fire with far higher muzzle velocity ensures that a soldier isn't as deadly as he would have been with an old fashioned musket. [end sarcasm]
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"But I don't think full auto should or really ca be illegal."

Oh.
Okay.
That is your premise, so defend it positively.




The founders correctly wanted citizen soldiers to defend freedom because they felt standing armies were always corrupt because they work for who pays them.

So if we want full auto for defense, then everyone should have full auto.
If you want to make abuse of firearms a capital offense or something, that is a whole different issue.
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Didn't you know? That's why the military moved away from muzzle loaders. After all, rapid fire with far higher muzzle velocity ensures that a soldier isn't as deadly as he would have been with an old fashioned musket. [end sarcasm]



Obviously the point was that there were mass murder weapons back in 1776, such as blunderbusses, punt guns, grapeshot, unrestricted cannon, etc.

The number of people you can kill with one shot has greatly decreased over the centuries.

In fact, full auto is not very effective.
Likely the military would be more effective without it, except for when shooting at airplanes or helicopters.
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"The founders correctly wanted citizen soldiers to defend freedom because they felt standing armies were always corrupt because they work for who pays them."




So were they right and so is that what you think our professional armed force, really ?

But look you started a off topic discussion here, so why not just a new thread with your contention "The founders correctly wanted citizen soldiers to defend freedom because they felt standing armies were always corrupt because they work for who pays them."

Happy to join you there, but as to being topic here, anymore, b'bye.


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Yes, weapons have become less powerful and less deadly over the years because that's always the goal... in some other reality.

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Didn't you know? That's why the military moved away from muzzle loaders. After all, rapid fire with far higher muzzle velocity ensures that a soldier isn't as deadly as he would have been with an old fashioned musket. [end sarcasm]



I hear the Air Force has switched to dropping 'Nerf bombs'.


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Yah, who needs a 2nd Amendment when you have armed police?

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