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I do not believe in defeating our opponents by becoming them.



The ONLY ways to defend lives is to defeat evil and that means using stronger violence than they have.
You don't defeat someone like Hitler by being more moral. You do it by having better weapons.
Killing people with powerful weapons is not diminishing ones self, but simply using our instinct to protect the weak.
To not use violence against evil would be to become an accomplice, which is far worse.

If you and your children were attacked by a mountain lion, would you feel it was better to remain nonviolent and let you and your children be killed?

How is a human monster any more deserving of life than a mountain lion?
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It sounds like Rigby is advocating killing conservatives.
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There has always been an intolerant left-wing fringe. The fallacy is in trying to discredit liberalism by saying because of this fringe liberalism is intolerant when you scratch it. The difference between its being OK to kill human monsters and killing mountain lions is that human monsters are entitled to due process first; otherwise it would be open season on liberals right now.
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There's no excuse for violence or threats of violence from anyone.

Comparing fighting for changes in policies to fighting Hitler is ridiculous. If people used violence every time they wanted to bring about changes, our country would be in chaos.

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Our country is NOT in chaos, John?
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Our country is NOT in chaos, John?



OK, well even more chaos than it is now.

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So what happening with conservatives, these days ?

See:
1) Trump threatens to abandon Puerto Rico
2) Trump's plan to scrap critical health care subsidies will cost the government more.

Threads here.

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So we kill persons in foreign countries is a reason to kill our own? Will you be first Rigby?



Absolutely when people in your own country have caused millions of innocent to be murdered, you have to start taking responsibility and fighting back with all the violence available to you.

I already did my stint.
It is for others to do theirs.
It should be clear to everyone the Military Industrial Complex must be destroyed, and they will fight back with violence.
So there is no way around the violence.

As an side, how can anyone think those millions murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan are any less important than people here, without being a racist bigot?
Would everyone here be up in arms if a million US citizens had been murdered by the Military Industrial Complex?
Of course they would.
How is that not an admission of racism?



I didn't make myself clear enough, remember the Weather Underground, they targeted govt. buildings and banks. What I'm talking about is the violence we see by those who just run amok through the streets causing violence, they don't ask hey were you against the wars, they ask no questions, so are you willing to be their victim?
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Speaking at a university isn't a right, it's a privilege. And while listening to different views is a good thing, there are [sign in to see URL]



I agree but who gets to decide what those limits are? You're talking about what amounts to a form of censorship.

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Is there any point at which we say someone should not be given a platform? If someone wants to speak about why rape is a good thing, should they be welcomed?



No, but I doubt that anyone would make such a stupid claim and if they did, that any university would have them as a speaker.

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That's a part of the problem in the U.S. today; We have people saying horrible things and it's treated like nothing. Maybe that's why we have a president who talked about groping women.



When you have a society that has degenerated to the point where it is OK to call women the B word on TV while still rejecting other insulting terms like the N word it's not surprising. Why would anyone be surprised that such a sexist society would manage to put someone like Trump in office when he was running against a woman? Some people even referred to Hillary that way among other hateful terms.

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I'll gladly listen to different views - things like why we shouldn't raise taxes or raise the minimum wage - but when someone presents views that blacks or Muslims are inferior to whites, end of discussion.



I've been called a bigot just for being critical of Islam. Going further and not allowing someone to criticize it in a public forum on a university campus is absurd. Islam needs to be examined and criticized a lot because it is a disruptive influence in the world.

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And when allow people to talk like that, when we turn it into 'a different opinion', it validates it.



The problem is that sometimes it may be a valid opinion. We may not know until we hear what the speaker has to say.

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It's like saying that both MLK and Hitler said something worth considering.



I have no problem with people pointing out how nonsensical that notion is but the main problem in this society is not political radicals speaking on campuses. It's the mass media tolerating similar bullshit and presenting it as a valid or at least acceptable viewpoint based merely on how much of the public agrees. That has a lot more to do with us seeing people like Trump elected than anyone speaking radically on campus.

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It sounds like Rigby is advocating killing conservatives.



No, there is no inherent conflict between conservatives and liberals.

In fact, the idea of Bush invading Iraq without a formal congressional declaration of war was very liberal (in the sense of not being strictly constitutional), and my opposition to gun control is very conservative (strictly constitutional).

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