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Yellowstone supervolcano could blow faster than thought, destroy all of mankind. Arizona State University researchers have analyzed minerals around the supervolcano at Yellowstone National Park and have come to a startling conclusion. It could blow much faster than previously expected, potentially wiping out life as we know it.

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[There seems a lot of things around lately that want to ruin our day. Hurricanes, earthquakes, climate change, North Korea, Donald Trump, asteroids and now a super volcano. If we ever needed another planet to holiday on now would be a good time. Any suggestions?]



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While a good intent, Yellowstone blows no matter how much you have stored up it most likely will not be enough.

The last event as noted by geologists created a snowball Earth for over ten years, no canned/boxed/freeze dried or bulk dry supplies will last that long.

Would need access to a long term power supply, longer term underground facilities, stables to house domestic animals and hydroponic gardens enough to feed all the above plus those within your close entourage that would survive along with you. Chances are better to accept a quick death and move into the next realm whatever that may be.
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When I was younger and saw some of those disaster survival films it would cross my mind but not anymore. Persons my age don't need canned goods we won't make it anyway, so a 'death pill' would be what I'd want.
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when my MIL died she had her basement full of 10 gallon jugs of water at least 50 heavy containers that i had a hard time carrying up the stairs, she also had 10 year supply of Racine wheat, that had been there since my husband was a boy, so about 50 years. not sure how water could last for 50 years, i didn't dare drink it. i just empty it on the lawn. I don't know what she was thinking keeping the wheat for 50 years.

i have six month supply of food that i rotate. i have two freezers full of elk meat and Alaskan salmon, and about 5 large shelves in the garage. Obviously none of that will help in a catastrophe event. i was just stocking up encase someone lost their job.



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when my MIL died she had her basement full of 10 gallon jugs of water at least 50 heavy containers that i had a hard time carrying up the stairs, she also had 10 year supply of Racine wheat, that had been there since my husband was a boy, so about 50 years. not sure how water could last for 50 years, i didn't dare drink it. i just empty it on the lawn. I don't know what she was thinking keeping the wheat for 50 years.

i have six month supply of food that i rotate. i have two freezers full of elk meat and Alaskan salmon, and about 5 large shelves in the garage. Obviously none of that will help in a catastrophe event. i was just stocking up encase someone lost their job.




Wheat can easily last for over 100 years.
The water depends on the type and age of the plastic containers. In a good container, water lasts forever.

The more you process seed foods, the shorter they last.

The best process is simple dehydration.
Although irradiating food before sealing it up can make it last a long time.
But anything that has calories should not be kept wet. Even if it is sterilized, it will still loose calories over less than a decade.
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normally wheat last 30 years have not heard of it lasting 100 years.

i guess if you planted it in the ground some seeds might grow.
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I have enough canned sardines, kippered herring, and smoked oysters to last a lifetime. 😜

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First of all, what IS the shelf-life of wheat?

Wheat does have an oil in it. It’s called vitamin E. It’s what gives the grain some fat content which makes it an even more complete food. (Nice how God is so thorough that way, eh?) In fact, by extracting the oil in wheat, you come up with the expensive oil called Wheat Germ oil. (Very healthy for you, by the way.) However, oil doesn’t go rancid because of its mere existence. It goes rancid when it’s exposed to oxygen, primarily.

Storing wheat for 30+ years is a drop in the bucket—excuse the pun. The key is to store it in its whole grain form. I do the same thing with dent corn. I store dent corn in its whole grain form so that I will have plenty of cornmeal on hand when I need it, otherwise just plain cornmeal would go rancid relatively quickly. In the cornmeal stage all of its oil is fully exposed to oxygen. Oil exposed to oxygen is what makes things go rancid. It’s nice that whole dent corn is easy to store for 30+ years. I’d never get that far with cornmeal. The same goes with groats instead of oats. Groats are the “whole” form of oats. By the way, when you store grains in their whole grain form, you can sprout them—YUMM-MEE.

The ideal temperature for storing wheat for the longest shelf life is 75 degrees or cooler. However, yes, you can store wheat in a warmer environment so long as it’s packaged well. Ideally you’ve got it in a double-bagged packaging. Or in a bag and then in a bucket. Or better yet, in an number 10 can—although more expensive to buy that way (you can always buy it in the bags and then use a canner). Wheat stored in a Mylar bag in a bucket would be another good method, however, it’s also more expensive than the simple bag or bucket method. So long as you keep your wheat off of a heated cement floor, and out of direct sunlight, you’ll have success in storing it long term. Remember though, the cooler, the better and the easier the wheat will be to work with in your recipes too.

Continuing on with the temperature issue… Keep in mind that wheat was found in the pyramids, and Egypt is NOT known for its cool climate. 🙂 I had someone comment to me recently when I told them this: “yeah, but the deep dark corners of the pyramids are rather cool.” First of all…have you been to a pyramid? It’s flippin’ HOT in there. Sure it’s COOL-ER than outside of it. But it’s not a cool 75 degrees. (Although SOME have been found to maintain 68 degrees Fahrenheit. Why can’t I build my home to do that?!) Second of all, such a statement presumes that the wheat came fresh off of the stem before it was put in the pyramid. *heavy sigh* In other words, it’s presumed that it was never exposed to any heat prior to being placed in the pyramid tombs. As I’ve shared in a previous article, when I lived in the Philippines, they would frequently “dry” their grains by spreading them out on the road for a couple of days. And yes, it is extremely hot and humid in the Philippines, and yet whole grains are the most vital food source they have. Whole grains are just another one of these neat miracles that God has given us to feed us, if you ask me. They are temperamental foods that the majority of the world can’t store without refrigeration.
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So with airtight containers, in a deep, cool root cellar, you can get over 100 years.


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The oldest carbon-14-dated seed that has grown into a viable plant was Silene stenophylla (narrow-leafed campion), an Arctic flower native to Siberia. Radiocarbon dating has confirmed an age of 31,800 ±300 years for the seeds. In 2007, more than 600,000 frozen mature and immature seeds were found buried in 70 squirrel hibernation burrows 38 metres (125 ft) below the permafrost near the banks of the Kolyma River. Believed to have been buried by Arctic ground squirrels, the mature seeds had been damaged to prevent germination in the burrow, however, three of the immature seeds contained viable embryos. Scientists extracted the embryos and successfully germinated plants in vitro which grew, flowered and created viable seeds of their own. The shape of the flowers differed from that of modern S. stenophylla with the petals being longer and more widely spaced than modern versions of the plant. Seeds produced by the regenerated plants germinated at a 100% success rate, compared with 90% for modern plants. Calculations of the γ radiation dose accumulated by the seeds since burial gave a reading of [sign in to see URL] kGy, the highest maximal dose recorded for seeds that have remained viable.[1][2][3]
The oldest mature seed that has grown into a viable plant was a Judean date palm seed about 2,000 years old, recovered from excavations at Herod the Great's palace on Masada in Israel. It was germinated in 2005.[4][5][6][7] (For more details refer to Judean date palm: Germination of 2000-year-old seed).
The third oldest viable seed recorded is the carbon-14-dated 1,300-year-old sacred lotus (Nelumbo nucifera), recovered from a dry lakebed in northeastern China in 1995.[8][9]
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As noted water does Not go 'Bad', it will however go stale but a shake of the jug with a empty air pocket in it to reaerate and will be just as good as the day placed into container. For the average person on light exertion around 5-7 pints per day is enough to 'survive' but you will be bordering on dehydration if you do exert yourself. As for food, the need to rehydrate food to eat it or to keep from constipation the demand doubles.

Food at around 1200-2200 calories a day will sustain you for a long time, need for fats and protein are the big hitters where lack of fresh or even frozen meat or some form of an iron supplement and a supply of peanut butter will stave back but not off. Then you have to figure of those years with the planet trying to recover where vegetable materials could be non-palatable or even poisonous.
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I suppose underground greenhouses could supply some food, but it would require nuclear reactors for power.

Easier to live on earth without sunlight than to live on the moon or Mars, as long as you have energy.
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