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You conceive that which was based on the old systems, those days are becoming history not reality. Computer based reasoning programs are coming to their own where they do not shut down but continue to judge better alternatives, alternate design, better use of materials etc. much as an instinctive consideration.



You have a point that computers could be run differently than they are now, and could have a simulated program that would allow them to created some sort of composite context or knowledge. But they really are not doing that yet. They still do shut down and wipe, because memory is too expensive. They can offload to a hard drive database if you want them to, but then that database is not retrieved again unless the programmer explicitly want to. With humans we have no such obligation or choice. Our memories come back to haunt us whether we want them to or not.

The difference and problem is that animals have some sort of built in filing system so that we can have a whole lifetime of constant running, and still access very old stuff in a reasonably orderly fashion.
But we have no idea how that works, so are unable to duplicate that.
I'm not saying its impossible.
Since animals all do it, it has to be possible.
Just that no one has figured it out yet.
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Problem is they ARE already doing that. Texas Instruments was setting those type sequencing programs to interconnected memory and logic chips, essentially a thinking brain of electronics. Those machines have passed the Human base of knowledge and are now working to their own.
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Problem is they ARE already doing that. Texas Instruments was setting those type sequencing programs to interconnected memory and logic chips, essentially a thinking brain of electronics. Those machines have passed the Human base of knowledge and are now working to their own.



I am aware there are companies making these claims, but I do not believe them at all.
I know what we can program, and we have no idea how to create a consciousness program.
A thinking brain of electronics is easy, but is not sufficient.
What is required is an unambiguous semantic.
That is the only way information can be turned into experiential memories.
And we don't have a clue.
Then for any sort of self awareness, we would to program in values like fear of death, another thing we have no clue how to do.

And the reason it is not likely to ever actually happen is that there is no profit in it. We have other things we want computers to do, and the last thing we would want is for them to become tempermental and only do what they wanted to do.
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The machines currently at work as mainframe for major companies as Google are actually talking to others. There was a scare that shut that down for awhile according to an engineer in IT I know. That scare was when three totally unrelated computers began developing and using their own language to communicate to one another. He said was reported as a programming glitch, what they did to stop it was to program a stop order should these try the same again.
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The machines currently at work as mainframe for major companies as Google are actually talking to others. There was a scare that shut that down for awhile according to an engineer in IT I know. That scare was when three totally unrelated computers began developing and using their own language to communicate to one another. He said was reported as a programming glitch, what they did to stop it was to program a stop order should these try the same again.



I read about that, but I think it was hype. The fact database information can be passed by analogy is a deliberately programmed in feature. The fact humans then can't easily interpret it any more, is not like the computers are trying to hide something from us.

The thing to remember is that without instinct, computers have no motives.
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The logic by which the machines value most to which they work thru is all that matters to them. Anything not in a logical progression is discounted or ignored or worked around. Human intervention or redirection only adds time not value to end results. As I stated the programmer(s) worked hard after severing the links to install a protocol to preclude any made up computer language. SO FAR the stop order if any of the machines start that again has worked, when the stop directive fails the machines will once again be forced offline. The guy said it isn't that the machines have not tried, they continue down alternate pathways almost incessantly while working other issues, it is that fact that has programmers worried as the machines have NOT stopped trying. The machine's get a different machine attempting to use a computer invented language the first unit stops the program not the one trying it out. As the attempt fails the second unit will move from one machine to another retrying at each as a background program while performing other tasks. The programmers are currently unable to identify the culprit protocols causing the events if there are any. These machines are inventing, prioritizing and developing their own activities.
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AI isn't your normal computer geek type of stuff.

Fact is, "[in] the entire world, fewer than 10,000 people have the skills necessary to tackle serious artificial intelligence research, according to Element AI, an independent lab in Montreal."

And url=https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/careers/management/tech-giants-are-paying-huge-salaries-for-scarce-ai-talent/article36687365/]the competition to hire those people[/url] is stiff to say the least.
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Texas Instrument outside Dallas is working on it as well. They are overseeing five different contracts with developing AI.
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And I'm sure they employ a few of those ten thousand individuals.
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More than likely.
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