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gopqed
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
And another woman has come forth with a complaint about Franken, after he was elected to the Senate.
Maybe Al's role model is Charlie Rose.
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katie5445
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
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Geezess wrote:
"Not a fair point. You're still putting the burden of fixing things on the woman, Geezess."
Might you be being biased on that count for some reason ?
Me: "So what can WE change ?"
"... make him be the one who does not know what to say or to do."
"Is it being too hard to do the right thing at the right time a good enough excuse for ANY human being, ever ? "
What can you change, there is no invitation to touching unless you receive an invitation to touch and if you are a male and do not have that invitation, it's a no go. Is that really so hard to figure out??
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Exploiting sex in entertainment and advertising is the culture.
We all, and the broader culture as a whole, are all victims of it in various different ways.-Geezess
What exactly is exploitation of sex in entertainment is the 64,000 dollar question. In the world of art female nudity and to a lesser extent male nudity have long been considered acceptable and not exploitation. For example in paintings depicting nude people. Those have not been considered exploitation even though they derived much of their ability to attract interest from the nudity itself.
Collections of nude photographs have often been regarded in the same way as examples of high art. Even nudity in films has often been considered art or at least necessary for the advancement of the plot and not exploitation.
On the opposite end of the spectrum are forms of entertainment like burlesque and striptease shows which have traditionally not been judged to be art but rather pure exploitation of women and highly disreputable.
The reality appears to be that what is considered exploitation and somehow bad has little to do with what is on display but rather on who is doing the displaying. If it is male "artists" displaying their nude paintings, photographs or films containing nudity then it is art and should be respected as such. If it is women performing striptease routines in a sleazy striptease show then it is not art but exploitation of women and something to be condemned as immoral.
It would seem that just as in the case of sexual harassment what qualifies as exploitation of women in the minds of critics is dependent on how little those women are respected. Women who perform striptease routines are not being forced to do so and they are not really asking for this society to condemn them as immoral persons. They are not doing anything more immoral than posing in the nude for a photographer or painter or appearing nude in a film.
Treating them as different and considering what they do to be immoral as well as exploitation is a derivative of not respecting them and not treating them as equals to men.
It isn't men who are the victims and women are victims in the world of entertainment because they aren't being respected as much as men are.
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
I saw that Mika Brzezinski was receiving some negative comments. I didn't catch the entire story, but I think it had to do with her saying something about Al's behavior vs. some of the others we've heard about recently. I think there should be different descriptions or terms for inappropriate play vs. sexual coercion in the workplace.
The women of SNL have written a letter in support of Al, saying that they feel what he did was "stupid and foolish," and that they wish to directly affirm that after years of working with him ... none of them have ever experienced any inappropriate behavior and he treated them all with the "utmost respect and regard."
Mika has posted this letter on her Twitter Page
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
I confess, i will never understand what motivates a Roy More, or an Al Franken, or a Charlie Rose. These are all well educated, highly successful men who come from apparently stable home environments. And yet the all are guilty of not one, but multiple counts of sexial harrassment and/or assault. For them to do what they were doing they committed crimes not only against their victims, but they wrre insulting the dignity of all the woman and girls in their own lives. And quire franly they were demmonstrating that yhey actually dislike themselves. Hell, if even a crazy Italian can understand this why can Al, Charlie, and Roy not understand it?
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
nobody should get a pass" for this type of behavior, including our president.
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
Notice how many exhibitionists? You don't understand it Hawk, as most sexual deviance is an unknown, not curable and treatment doesn't 'work' either all they can do is try and help the person manage. That is why we have repeat offenders and persons in and out of jail. The Portland police just caught a man I had mentioned earlier, 58 y.o. with a history of a dozen times in and out of jail, kidnapping, sexual assault, violent assault charges over many years. They caught him in the middle of downtown on an afternoon, chasing a group of women going to lunch, he managed to beat one up. I don't believe in 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances and definitely not eleven. One your done because it seems useless to arrest these people, put them in and let them out, knowing they will repeat.
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
Well, okay if you're right, Katie, then it is just hopeless, right ?
I hear you.
But if so, then what is the point of all the complaining ?
Well, besides fueling the backlash ?
Here, I know it's not PC for me to post anything but the current trending sentiments so best I just give you a link that just perhaps you might consider ... not that I
agree with every bit of it.
What Happens When Men Say #MeToo, Too?
As a self-identified feminist man who has survived abuse, I wonder how and if I should participate in the conversation.
http://www.yesmagazine.org/peace-justice/what-happens-when-men-say-metoo-too-20171031
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
It said "server not found."
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Re: Al Frankln accused of sexual harassment:
I redid the link, try it again.
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