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I'm just asking who is proposing doing away with Social Security, as John claimed. The only name offered has been Marco Rubio, but he hasn't proposed doing away with it. The bottom line is that John's claim is just the same unfounded fearmongering offered up by Democrats for decades.
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First, no one (that wants to get elected) is going to come out and plainly say "I'm going to end Social Security".

Second, they are not going to simply end it all at once, they will do it in steps (cutting taxes is the first step)

They have already talked about raising the retirement, some to 70, and cutting benefits.

SS (and Medicare and Medicaid and more) do not fit into today's Republican's ideology. Republicans would end the program immediately were it not for the fact most would never get reelected.

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Wow, John, you've really decided to board the falsehood ship. You can't back up your claims and so you're making things up.
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I know what you are asking and I'm not so sure since republicans have spoken out that it is fear mongering. I would not be surprised if SS was "done away with" as we know it and looking at what many of the powers that be that are conservative, only hurts seniors.
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Which Republicans have spoken out and said they want to do away with Social Security?
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quote:

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I'm just asking who is proposing doing away with Social Security, as John claimed. The only name offered has been Marco Rubio, but he hasn't proposed doing away with it. The bottom line is that John's claim is just the same unfounded fearmongering offered up by Democrats for decades.



I looked around to see if you could be right about this "unfounded fearmongering for decades" regarding some of the plans suggested for Social Security. I'm not so sure about the "unfounded" part, however.

From 2005:

Democrats have darker views of Bush's motives, saying it has been a long-standing Republican goal to dismantle the vestiges of the New Deal and the basic contract it struck between the government and its citizens. They also contend it is perfectly in keeping with everything they know about Bush that he would create the mirage of pending catastrophe to achieve that goal. "We have an Administration that falsely hypes almost every issue as a crisis," the liberal lion Edward M. Kennedy said in a speech last Wednesday, which happened to be the same day the Washington Post was reporting on its front page that the CIA had quietly given up its hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. "They did it on Iraq, and they are doing it now on Social Security."

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Which Republicans have spoken out and said they want to do away with Social Security?



It is not a secret as far as I know that republicans want to privatize SS, that is doing away with the system. It would screw the poor, lower middle class and often the middle class.
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Gop, first I want to say that I truly respect the 'show me the proof' approach that you take.

As I said, no Republican that wants to stay in office is going to plainly talk about doing away with SS because it's too popular among voters.

Can I quote a Republican that said he/she wants to completely eliminate SS (which is a fair question)? No, I can't.

But that doesn't mean it isn't part of their agenda. Sometimes you have to read between the lines.

“We have a welfare system that's trapping people in poverty and effectively paying people not to work. We've got to work on that.” Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.)

“We're going to have to get back next year at entitlement reform, which is how you tackle the debt and the deficit” Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.)

“You also have to bring spending under control. And not discretionary spending. That isn't the driver of our debt. The driver of our debt is the structure of Social Security and Medicare for future beneficiaries,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

“We're spending ourselves into bankruptcy. Now, let's just be honest about it: We're in trouble. This country is in deep debt. You don't help the poor by not solving the problems of debt, and you don't help the poor by continually pushing more and more liberal programs through.” Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/?utm_term=.8d7466d75e27

"the most important thing we can do with respect to the national debt, what we need to do, is obviously reform current entitlement programs for future generations.” Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas)
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/363642-ryan-pledges-entitlement-reform-in-2018

So here's the thing; I'm willing to admit that I cannot definitely prove that Republicans want to do away with SS, but give me reasons why I shouldn't think they will try.

It's not just what they say it's what they do.

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"The Republicans have a three-step plan: Transfer trillions from the middle class and poorest the wealthiest → Explode the deficit → Use the ballooning deficit to trigger cuts to critical programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security."

- Rep. Pramila Jayapal's Video Clip
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This gal is really mad!


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