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Yobbo's math is also wrong again.



The arithmatic may have been askew but the fact remains that a lot of Americans didn't vote and of those who did a majority voted for the losing candidate.

Yep, that sounds like democracy to me!
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A majority voting for the losing candidates happens all the time in the Parliamentary system you're so fond of.
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Not really. Parliaments all don't roll the same either. In the UK(correct me Mary) if no party wins the overall majority it is a "hung parliament," the leader of the party goes to queen and asks for her okay to be in, then in a few weeks or months they call an election. France has a parliament but not a Queen.
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In a parliamentary system with three or more parties it's not uncommon to see a "minority government" - that is, the party that wins the election (i.e., has the most seats) still has less than half of the seats in the house.

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Let's look at the presidential election.
The electorate totaled about 230 million.
Trump received 62 million votes, Clinton got 64 million. That rather means more people failed to vote than voted for the two main candidates combined.

It rather looks like the people of America don't value democracy.




I don't think we should blame for voters for this ordeal. I wouldn't say that Americans don't value democracy, it's quite the opposite. What you are saying is tantamount to someone stealing something you value and when you complain about it, being told that you shouldn't complain if you cared about it. The democratic nominee didn't pull out a sufficient number of voters in order to win.

P.S. I agree with the folks that say that Bernie would have won -- he would have gotten (yes! gotten) people out to vote, imo.


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Bernie was only able to get 43% of Democrats to support him in a two-person race. The angry old man would have ended up with even more anti-Trump voters staying home.
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Bernie was only able to get 43% of Democrats to support him in a two-person race.



It's not clear how much of that was due to the actions of the DNC.

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The angry old man would have ended up with even more anti-Trump voters staying home.



I doubt that - a lot of anti-Trump voters stayed home because rightly or wrongly they really despised Hillary and didn't want to hold their noses while they voted for her. Bernie didn't bring that baggage with him.
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What DNC actions reduced his share of the votes cast in the primaries?

Sanders alienated a large portion of the Democratic voters, and his presence on the ballot would have brought many voters who were comfortable with a Clinton win, and didn't vote or voted third-party, back into the Republican column because Sanders is a self-proclaimed "Eugene V Debs socialist."
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A majority voting for the losing candidates happens all the time in the Parliamentary system you're so fond of.



No it doesn't. In NZ we have a government of three parties, none of which received as many votes as the new opposition party (previous government) but together they did. Some form of proportional voting is more common than not although the UK still has a first past the post form of voting.

The American system of voting a monarch to a term of four years is a silly one.
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So your party that received the most votes in the election lost the election. How incredibly !@#$ democratic!
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