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Fire makes it faster than rotting and as to what is done with a 'harvested' log is not always firewood. We sell white oak for barrels, we sell sycamore for caskets and cedar for fence posts or shakes or furniture grade. Walnut is often veneer grade, locust makes awesome pallets and furniture internal structure as is dense and stable.

When speaking on thousand to hundreds of thousands of acres of brush, homes, autos and even roadways there was a massive amount of pollutants generated in a short time due to leaving too much tinder accumulate too long.
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This is an interesting page (a link that is on the site you've referred to that I previously posted) that deals with pointing out some of the areas in southern California in which the habitat has become completely useless due to repeated fires.

Loss of Chaparral

According to various sources, climate change will worsen fire conditions in many places, and it has already created longer "fire seasons," such as in California and Europe, for example.


 
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Dry seasons wax and wane, the CC gurus use those conditions for evidence yet fires have been consuming the regions of note for millennia. The action of fire then subsequent erosion is what established the region and the entire LA basin.
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Actually, much of the L.A. Basin was a wetland area.

Anyway, coupled with what was noted previously, "The natural fire return interval for chaparral is 30 to 150 years or more" -- does not coincide with your statement of "fires have been consuming the regions of note for millennia."

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Dry seasons wax and wane, the CC gurus use those conditions for evidence yet fires have been consuming the regions of note for millennia. The action of fire then subsequent erosion is what established the region and the entire LA basin.



Another term for "CC gurus" is climate scientists. You know, the men and women that more more than either of us regarding this issue.

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Yeah Yeah BS.

Indians would burn the region to allow their own animals feed areas. The wetlands are the end result of eroded soils into the bay basin from the uplift ridges. Study your geology, my own brother worked SDPWD and explained much of the LA basin as he was informed as to geology. He is a Certified and registered Civil Engineer.
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Yeah Yeah BS.

Indians would burn the region to allow their own animals feed areas. The wetlands are the end result of eroded soils into the bay basin from the uplift ridges. Study your geology, my own brother worked SDPWD and explained much of the LA basin as he was informed as to geology. He is a Certified and registered Civil Engineer.



You have stated that "fires have been consuming the regions of note for millennia ... the action of fire then subsequent erosion is what established the region and the entire LA basin."

Fires and erosion is not was established the L.A. Basin.

The native people of the area were hunters & gatherers, and they fished -- I've never read that they set fires for livestock.



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Another term for "CC gurus" is climate scientists. You know, the men and women that more more than either of us regarding this issue.



It's getting deeper than the L.A. Basin around here!



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I suggest you look into the geology and geologic record of the region. It is tectonic uplift zone, the rock is fragmented and poorly constrained, the brushy slopes serve for very little value cover other than the chaparral brush or what Man has placed. The Indians used the native animals, they also worked to propagate the region for the welfare of the tribes as so many other tribes have done. The region was also noted as 'The Land of the Smoke' by the Indians to the earliest settlers due to the thick haze that hung in the basin. Educate yourself before trash talking.
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You stated: "The action of fire then subsequent erosion is what established the region and the entire LA basin."
... and you're telling me to look into the geology? Are you taking back what you said earlier? Hopefully so.

I agree with you that there were fires, of course there would have been, but that's not what "established the region" and I do not believe the Gabrielino natives were deliberately setting them as you stated. If there were lightning fires, for instance, there was no way to put them out, so they would continue to burn and yes, the smoke or haze, as it does today, would accumulate in the basin. The difference is that today, the foothills and grassland areas are burning with much more frequency, destroying the natural habitat and what is considered a "fire season" is a longer period of time in many parts of the world.

You've stated that "fires have been consuming the regions of note for millennia" -- yet it has been documented that fire season duration is indeed changing.

A new analysis of 35 years of meteorological data confirms fire seasons have become longer.
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Overall, 54 percent of the world’s vegetated surfaces experienced long fire weather seasons more frequently between 1996 and 2013 as compared with 1979-1996.

Source

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