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You are mistaken, they know it, matter of fact they know more about heroin and addiction than anybody, one thing they are not is ignorant on drugs, there use and danger.



If someone knows that their tolerance for heroin decreases after not using it for a long time why would they resume using it at the high dose level that they were using just before they stopped using it?

Ignorance has to play a role. Either they don't know what dose they are taking or they don't know that the high dose they were accustomed to will no longer be safe.
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What has not gone unnoticed but under treated is the duel diagnosis of addicts, all the persons I've known that have died suffered from mental illness from serious depression to anxiety and worse to physical-sexual abuse and so on. They don't have much of a chance of staying clean without these issues seriously addressed the come back to kick them right in the ass.
 



That's all the more reason not to treat them like some sort of pariah for choosing to use heroin or any other narcotic to ease their pain both physical and psychological. It doesn't make them a bad person. They don't need to have this society telling them they are worthless or bad and adding to their negative sense of themselves.
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You do understand that in most autos you are separated from the outside by as little as 26 gauge metal and sheets of plastic?

You stock too much faith in the integrity of the automobile as a protective device, it is NOT.-cooter



It provides more protection than a motorcycle. And it is significantly safer to drive a car.

I was in a car wreck once where the car slipped on a wet road and crossed the dividing line of the highway. It hit a truck coming in the other direction. It didn't hit it head on but in the side. The car hurtled underneath the back of the truck and broke the truck's rear axle. The left hand driver side of the car was ripped away and the forward momentum of the truck spun the car around like a top.

The driver of that car who was not wearing a seat belt nor using an air bag did not walk away from the accident. Their left leg was broken and they spent 11 days in the hospital. But they survived the accident.

What do you suppose would have happened to a motorcyclist who hit the side of that truck going 60 MPH with the truck moving at a similar speed?
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All the side effects socially or the tangential impacts of drugs addictions. The list is major sized with family deterioration fore front. So many things occur due to the conditions set by addiction.

Wife's cousins son's wife is a counselor for addicted teens, she fights these battles EVERY DAY and suffers her own anxieties when she loses one of the kids back to the drugs or the sexual trades or goes to jail to support someone else's(parent, partner, siblings) habit.



Many of the problems have more to do with all the hoops the addicts are forced to jump through while dealing with a black market that provides them drugs that sometimes aren't even safe to use. This society only makes the problem of addiction bigger with all the nonsense it puts out there about addiction and it being one of the worst things one can experience. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because this society sees to it that addiction becomes a monumental problem with addicts being put down as weak and sometimes worthless persons.

But it doesn't have to be that way. Countries where heroin has been legalized have demonstrated that.

Narcotic addiction has never had to be nearly as big a problem as this society has turned it into with all its hysteria and nonsense about narcotic use.

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Philer, so many and all together TOO MANY auto drivers 1) drive too fast for conditions, 2) buy the absolute cheapest and not the best choice for tires to perform in bad weather conditions and 3) fail to understand they need to INSPECT their machine THOUROUGHLY at least weekly. It is a conveyance, sits in the garage and rots until a failure, a blowout, major oil leak, coolant system rupture or heaven forbid, loss of control due to any and more associated to the above.

I inspect my ride EACH AND EVERY RIDE, DAILY, have it regularly serviced, pay attention to slight changes and look to find the cause(s). Where as such it is most likely in a safer condition that the autos around me. I was taught those attitudes by Grandfathers and Father, was and have returned to Heavy Truck operation where a REQUIRED Daily inspection of lighting, tires, a look at brakes and basic systems overview is performed. Takes around a half an hour, is really PAINLESS but what I operate when leave the house IS SAFE.

I have and had for decades a Class A CDL License with a Hazardous Material Endorsement, actually ALL but school bus endorsements. I retired from a rolling schedule only to become bored with house working and farm duty, can only be sedentary so long as well. Drive locally two to three days per week in a machine showing over a million miles. I INSPECT it daily, I work on some small point of contention at least weekly, the owner has it routinely serviced and a general inspection monthly. 1997 Peterbilt 379 500hp caterpillar engine, 40 foot long frameless aluminum end dump hauling farm commodities. I feel no less safe in it than I do ON my motorcycle.
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Cooter sees through Philer's comparison of drugs and cars yet he uses a similar "argument" with guns.
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No Arguments to make yobbo, firearms kill no one by themselves, no more than autos or trucks or trains, a human is at the controls. So we ban autos and trains and trucks as they kill people by your standards.
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No, we don't ban these things but we, in civilised places, regulate their sale, conditions of carry and use.
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No Arguments to make yobbo, firearms kill no one by themselves, no more than autos or trucks or trains, a human is at the controls. So we ban autos and trains and trucks as they kill people by your standards.



And drugs kill no one by themselves, a human is in charge. The user. But yet the government blames the drugs when users overdose. Otherwise government attorneys and other officials wouldn't call heroin a "killer."

My view is that the government should either stop blaming the drugs or start blaming the guns. It needs to at least be consistent.

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No, we don't ban these things but we, in civilised places, regulate their sale, conditions of carry and use.




Already have VOLUMES of law, rules, requirement,etc.
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