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DOMESTIC Abuse, named in restraining order EITHER will get your weapons removed from your possession IF the law follows thru with the law as written YEARS AGO.
Federal law prohibits anyone convicted of a misdemeanor or felony domestic violence charge or who is subject to a domestic violence protective order from possessing a firearm. But gun control advocates argue that federal laws are not strong enough and additional protections must be passed on the state level, in part because state laws are easier for local authorities to enforce.
The biggest issue, they say, is that the federal statute doesn’t provide a mechanism for those convicted of abuse charges to turn in the guns they already own. It is, they argue, essentially on the honor system.
...another problem with the federal law, an aspect that experts call the “boyfriend loophole.” It says that to have restricted access to firearms, the offense must have been committed by a current or former spouse, parent or guardian of the victim, or someone with whom the offender shares a child.
--- “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.” - NRA president Karl T. Frederick, 1938
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That was taken up or supposed to be by each state. It is NOT the deeded requirement of the Fed to oversee every Misdemeanor convicted as most are convicted within states courts under states law. IF a state has set no precedent law as to automatic relinquishment of arms after a restraining order is placed or after domestic violence charges or convictions then it is the STATE that is at fault and legislators need be held accountable.
It IS NOT the firearms access but the restraint the Governing bodies (State and Fed) they have failed to apply as to access in existing law or failed to accommodate in new legislation to enhance existing law.
We saw this with the TX shooter, the USAF FAILED to notify ATF of a required application of denial as to a discharge.
In FL we now see a individual SENDING THREATS openly on social media and he was NOT TAKEN serious by local or federal or even state law enforcement even as the TSA stops old people in wheel chairs or hand inspects children, we end up with AR carrying police at rallies due to someone believing there is credible threat enough to do so WITHOUT posted threats, who has their priorities reversed/miscommunicated here?
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In FL we now see a individual SENDING THREATS openly on social media and he was NOT TAKEN serious by local or federal or even state law enforcement
That's not true.
Florida mental health agency examined Cruz in 2016, didn’t hospitalize him
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/social-media-post-led-florida-agency-investigate-nikolas-cruz-2016-n849221
So what should we do with people like this? Lock them up for the rest of the lives?
--- “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.” - NRA president Karl T. Frederick, 1938
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If they are SICK why are they 'LOOSE'? Family did not by evidence help, and in Most instances DID NOT HELP. So your answer?
And they investigated but Failed to place in hospital, is that NOT the case 99% of the time for mental health issues these days?
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Emergency rooms across this country deal with the violent mentally ill on a continuing basis, it's no different than a revolving door at the airport. I already shared a story where 3 doors down lived a schizoid from me, he chased and threatened a neighbor with a hammer, he was back in that typical 72 hours, which while living here just over a year happened couple dozen times. Family help, I suggest reading on what it takes when a person is involuntary longer than that 72 hours. The 'easiest' way, when they commit a certain crime or crimes and are forced or given the choice to volunteer as an inpatient instead of going to jail, which is where many end up in the first place.
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And the time lines as we have seen the insanity of attacks in public began just after the historic release from hospitals of the mentally ill.
The Magic of Pills were making them 'Safe' to be released.
An illogical statement and a historic noted point:
https://www.thebalance.com/deinstitutionalization-3306067
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I worked on a psych ward for two years, the best thing that ever happened was the deinstitutionalization of what was hell in those days. The worst was no follow through in facilities and availability of treatment followed by some of what HIPAA restricted.
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If they are SICK why are they 'LOOSE'? Family did not by evidence help, and in Most instances DID NOT HELP. So your answer?
And they investigated but Failed to place in hospital, is that NOT the case 99% of the time for mental health issues these days?
A family took him in but the question is why. Perhaps partly because he was a friend of their son. They apparently knew he had a gun collection and still took him in. They did require him to lock up the guns in a gun safe but a fat lot of good that did.
They would have been wise to take his extensive gun collection as a sign that maybe having him living there was not a good idea.
And the reason why they failed to place him in a hospital is probably because he wasn't mentally ill.
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When you have something to say intelligible get back to me.
Can you point to an example here, of anything anyone has ever said, especially if disagreeing with you, or that you have ever said that meets your hight standards of what you would us all say, here ?
We need to an firm example of the high standard relative to being "intelligible" enough, that you are demanding others to meet. so I'm just asking politely for an example of what might help, an example of what what you see as being intelligible enough to satisfy you, so we can know what sort of things you might allow us to say, here.
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Cooter stop with the personal insults.
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