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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/15/massachusetts-police-officer-in-critical-condition-after-being-shot-reports-say.html

One is that since the officer's gun was taken away from him and used against him as well as to shoot an elderly women should all police officers be disarmed? One of the main arguments used against women carrying guns is that it tends to backfire on them and result in them being shot. That obviously happens to police officers as well.

Should they all be disarmed? If the "logic" works for women it works just as well for cops.

The second question is why in the world didn't the police shoot and kill this guy when they had the chance? He was not only armed but had already shot one of their fellow officers? This is the kind of idiot that the police should shoot rather than unarmed men whom they seem to favor shooting.

The police seem to have a lot more trouble shooting and killing armed criminals even when they have a chance to do so than they do unarmed men who don't pose any threat to them. Often men who are running away who aren't being aggressive at all.

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Main arguments used against women using guns were backfires
 who the heck made that stupid statement.
 I've never had a weapon backfire, Yes cops should remain armed or no one will sign up in this country who knows why a cop shoots or doesn't, we aren't. there nor are we im their mind
 justified or unjustified.
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Main arguments used against women using guns were backfires
 who the heck made that stupid statement.
 I've never had a weapon backfire, Yes cops should remain armed or no one will sign up in this country who knows why a cop shoots or doesn't, we aren't. there nor are we im their mind
 justified or unjustified.



You took the statement too literally, katie. I meant backfire as in something go wrong and the weapon ending up being used against them. That is an argument John has used to suggest that women should not carry guns for their protection.

As for cop shootings, we can only judge them by the circumstances and police officers have shot a lot of people who were unarmed when there was little to no justification for the cops believing they were armed. There have also been numerous cases where they knew that someone was either armed or dangerous as well as both and they have seemed reluctant to shoot that person. One famous case was O. J. Simpson whom they knew had a gun. He could have suddenly turned that gun at them and started shooting but no police officer even shot at him.
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I do take things "literally" it seems to be my MO. I've not read where John took favour of a man having a weapon and not a woman and I hope not as I don't see any difference.I'm not a happy camper what I've read about some cops I hate it with a passion but I certainly can't see them out there unarmed either
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Again I'll point out that I've made no distinction between men and women owning guns, only that owning a gun - by either a man or a woman - can result in unintended injuries and deaths.



Should they all be disarmed? If the "logic" works for women it works just as well for cops.

I'm not aware of anyone calling for disarming women.


The second question is why in the world didn't the police shoot and kill this guy when they had the chance?

It's difficult to say, since situations can be different and so can the officers involved.

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'Should they (police) all be disarmed?'
           Philler

As the only one asking that, why shouldn't you say what you think about what is only your point alone, that only you raise ?

So so your cheap false flag, 'Black and White fallacy' propaganda* is disingenuous, insulting, and so transparent it has undermined only your own credibility. Sorry, just telling it like it is.

Pro-actively, why is this (below) not the the obvious solution that clearly would saved these two lives ?

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It would also reduce the number of children killing each other/themselves with guns that they find.

See:
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* From: Types of Propaganda Techniques: A Detailed Explanation

 'Black and White fallacy' aims at presenting only two choices to the public. At times, direct order is used whereby decision-making of the audience is simplified by telling them the steps they need to take. On the other hand, 'Unstated assumption' is used when the propagandist does not want to state the concept explicitly. Here the concept is repeatedly implied.

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So does your disturbed "logic" work for women ?
So , I guess, yes, it would work just as well for cops.
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I do take things "literally" it seems to be my MO. I've not read where John took favour of a man having a weapon and not a woman and I hope not as I don't see any difference.I'm not a happy camper what I've read about some cops I hate it with a passion but I certainly can't see them out there unarmed either



Then you should see why I don't want women to be out there unarmed. They are targeted for attacks by criminals more than police officers are.
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I'm not aware of anyone calling for disarming women.-John



But you'd still prefer they not carry guns for their own protection?

My view is that if it makes sense for the police to do so it makes sense for women to do so. I see no difference in competency between the two groups. In fact, women seem to do a little better with guns than the police do.
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As the only one asking that, why shouldn't you say what you think about what is only your point alone, that only you raise ?

So so your cheap false flag, 'Black and White fallacy' propaganda* is disingenuous, insulting, and so transparent it has undermined only your own credibility. Sorry, just telling it like it is.-Geezes



I'm not using a black and white fallacy, Gee. I've simply been pointing out to folks like John that we already have a society that is full of guns, which endorses guns for self-defense in the hands of men and that women are as competent to use them as men are.

It doesn't make sense to claim that guns are too dangerous for women to carry and use for self-defense unless that is also true of everybody else including the police.

If you think that is a black and white fallacy you don't know what a black and white fallacy is.
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I have to ask again, who or what group is supporting women not having guns but it is okay for men, i've seen zip
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