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Sorry I can't count what you saw years ago on a local station on the gun debate and relate it to abortion. Media has no obligation at all to resolve the abortion debate, zero, nil, nada. You accept the information or you do not and you put on those big girl knickers and OMG, read, there are millions upon trillions of info since Roe vs. Wade and the media does not have to be everyone's babysitter who can't be bothered and then have the cheek to say, it's the media. Do you know some persons have an opinion who don't have a tv and actually have the ability to make a decision without that box. If you feel you or others have been short handed by tv or newspaper media I hope you have the common sense to do more investigation, if you don't, you will get no sympathy from me.
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Sorry I can't count what you saw years ago on a local station on the gun debate and relate it to abortion. Media has no obligation at all to resolve the abortion debate, zero, nil, nada. You accept the information or you do not and you put on those big girl knickers and OMG, read, there are millions upon trillions of info since Roe vs. Wade and the media does not have to be everyone's babysitter who can't be bothered and then have the cheek to say, it's the media. Do you know some persons have an opinion who don't have a tv and actually have the ability to make a decision without that box. If you feel you or others have been short handed by tv or newspaper media I hope you have the common sense to do more investigation, if you don't, you will get no sympathy from me.



I'm not particularly worried about not getting accurate information from the media or being exposed to mass media propaganda but I am concerned about other people being exposed to it and the effect it has had on them and continues to have. Even if the mass media in this country has no obligation to resolve the abortion debate it does have an obligation to not mislead people about that debate or Roe v Wade and not to contribute to the irrational political divide in this country. I pretty much agree with Thomas Jefferson about the importance of the public mass media in regard to having a good government.

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The people are the only censors of their governors: and even their errors will tend to keep these to the true principles of their institution. To punish these errors too severely would be to suppress the only safeguard of the public liberty. The way to prevent these irregular interpositions of the people is to give them full information of their affairs thro’ the channel of the public papers, & to contrive that those papers should penetrate the whole mass of the people. The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right...-Thomas Jefferson



How is the mass media going to help keep that right without providing full information about things like Roe v Wade and telling folks the truth about it? It was a good legal decision which makes a lot of sense. Why shouldn't the mass media in this country point that out to people and explain why it was a good legal decision?
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First I 110% disagree that the mass media hasn't presented it and to the point is how much more information can one have! And once again if you can read find your own information. I look at ads on the tv, weight loss, getting the 3# of "sludge" out of your colon, I've seen many colons and there is no sludge other than what is normally there, to make me useful, to take this product and see how amazing your mind can be to buy this soap, this car, this food. Seriously there does come a time if you don't have a disability, take responsibility on what you buy, who you vote for and why you do or don't support certain issues.
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To say a recently fertilized egg has the right to life seems ridiculous to me. It has the potential to develop into a life, but there is no certainty that it will.

We could just as well claim that sperm and egg have the right to life. They too have the potential to develop into life.

And some do believe this, which is why they also oppose birth control.

Making abortion illegal won't stop abortion, just as making drugs illegal hasn't stopped the use of drugs.

But the pro-life crowd isn't concerned with that because they are not so much pro-life as pro-birth.



It may seem ridiculous to you but isn't it equally ridiculous to say that at some arbitrary point later on that same organism suddenly develops a right to life?

I agree that making abortion illegal won't stop abortion. It will just make it more dangerous just as making drugs illegal has made their use more dangerous.




Indeed it is ridiculous, which has been my point.

As you say, making it illegal won't stop it, it will only make it more dangerous for women and make them criminals.

The pro-lifers need to put their efforts into reducing pregnancies, but so many of them also oppose birth control so they won't do that. They only push abstinence.

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First I 110% disagree that the mass media hasn't presented it and to the point is how much more information can one have!-katie



It's not the quantity of information but the quality of that information that matters the most. Roe v Wade was a good legal decision but you'd never know that from listening to the media. They have avoided telling people that for various reasons but mainly because they have not wanted to appear biased. They've presented the legal decision in Roe v Wade as simply a Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion throughout the country. One which may have been wrong.

It was much more than simply a legal decision. It was the right legal decision. There was never a good reason to pretend otherwise or to keep that bit of information from the American public.

The decision itself was authored by a conservative Republican, Justice Harry Blackmun. How many people even know that?

The mass media has always presented the decision as a controversial decision by the Supreme Court that possibly could have been a mistake. That in itself has been a colossal mistake which has helped to keep the abortion debate going.
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Indeed it is ridiculous, which has been my point.-John



Why is it ridiculous to believe that a developing human embryo has a right to life even in its early stages? It's a living, developing organism and it is human. There doesn't seem to be anything inherently ridiculous about believing that it has a right to life.

But even if it was ridiculous, it's a belief that needs to be respected if the abortion debate is to be moved along to resolution. You will never convince pro-lifers that the unborn have no right to life and the discussion will essentially end on that issue.
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How can you do so, morally, and still believe that women have a right to an early abortion ?-Geezie



 I believe that women have a right to obtain an early abortion


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How can you do so, morally, and still believe that women have a right to an early abortion ?-Geezie



 I believe that women have a right to obtain an early abortion


Then you believe that unborn do not have a right to life.
Period.






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Then you believe that unborn do not have a right to life.
Period.



You're mistaken, Gee. I know better than you what I believe about the unborn and I believe that they have a right to life. I just don't believe that right supersedes the right of women to obtain an early abortion.

That belief about the unborn is why I would have no problem with men being charged with murder or manslaughter if they do something to a pregnant woman that causes her to lose her unborn baby.
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What he is saying, you can't believe both. An embryo is the 2-8 week development, after that till birth it is a fetus.
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What he is saying, you can't believe both. An embryo is the 2-8 week development, after that till birth it is a fetus.



I know what he is saying but it is possible to believe both. I have no problem at all believing that unborn human life has a right to life and that woman have a right to obtain an early abortion.

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