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If you think Tseng was the first, I suggest more google, she was hardly the first and it goes back decades, It's not about the number of fatalities, obviously in your world no big deal but as a medical professional in my world for almost 40 years, causing a fatality is very big deal. Why did they come down so hard, maybe there are states, counties who have taken on that it is very serious or that juries facing defendants that are physicians that run pill mills are finally getting nailed and this time it was a woman. You never post when a woman is in the wrong, ever.



She was the first doctor charged with murder for prescribing opioids according to the article I quoted from and I know of no male doctors who have been charged with murder for the exact same type of behaviour. In some cases beyond the level that she engaged in.

She was also the first doctor convicted of that crime by a stupid jury. Apparently no male doctors have been convicted of that crime. And if any were it still wouldn't make any sense. Prescribing opioids to someone who overdoses is not murder.
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Dr. Lisa Tseng Was sentEnced to 30 yEArs
Barry Schultz wAs sentENced to 157 years
Shane Fait
hful was SENntenCed to 35 years

tEll
me again hOw Tseng was unfAIrly treated beCAuse she was a woMan



Were any men convicted of second degree murder and given a mandatory 30 year sentence for that crime which never took place? No murder occurred!

If Dr. Tseng was doing the same thing that Dr. Barry Schulz and Shane Faithful were doing why wasn't she charged with the same sort of drug crimes rather than second degree murder? Was it because they couldn't establish that she had been over prescribing to the same patients to the same extent as those other defendants? Is that why they came after her with bogus second degree murder charges which a stupid jury agreed with?

Both Shane Faithful and Dr. Gazelle Craig were convicted under tough federal drug laws but that doesn't change the fact that no stupid jury found them guilty of murder and no judge gave them the maximum sentence under the law.

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Senior U.S. District Judge David Hittner opted for a sentence on the lower end of the range, according to one of the defense lawyers at the hearing.

A federal jury found the pair guilty following a nine-day trial in March. Both Dr. Gazelle Craig, 49, and Shane Faithful, 42, were convicted of conspiracy to unlawfully distribute controlled substances and three counts of unlawfully distributing and dispensing controlled substances. They both faced up to 80 years in prison.



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tHe ChaRGe is iRrelevenT what matters Is the sentenCE

bUT sInce You arE beING a stickLER here are otheR DoCtORS chargeD with MURder


Pill Mill Doctor Charged With Murder For Patient [sign in to see URL] Dr. Gerald Klein, of the East Coast Pain Clinic in Palm Beach County, FL is on trial now for Batolucci’s death, charged with second-degree murder.
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Dr. John Christensen appeared in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to be charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the overdose deaths of two patients he treated at his A1A Health and Wellness Clinic on Broadway in West Palm Beach --
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tHe ChaRGe is iRrelevenT what matters Is the sentenCE

bUT sInce You arE beING a stickLER here are otheR DoCtORS chargeD with MURder


Pill Mill Doctor Charged With Murder For Patient [sign in to see URL] Dr. Gerald Klein, of the East Coast Pain Clinic in Palm Beach County, FL is on trial now for Batolucci’s death, charged with second-degree murder.
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Dr. John Christensen appeared in Palm Beach County Circuit Court to be charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the overdose deaths of two patients he treated at his A1A Health and Wellness Clinic on Broadway in West Palm Beach --
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Good cases to bring up to make the point I'm making. Neither one of those male doctors were convicted by juries of murder. That would have been a dumb thing to do in the case of Dr. Gerald Klein but his jury went beyond that and treated him very leniently.

The other male doctor also got lenient treatment.

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Jury acquits former pain clinic doctor of murder, convicts him of minor drug charge.



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With credit for about a year of jail time already served, the man who once operated three busy pain clinics — dubbed "pill mills" by authorities — will wind up serving about three more years behind bars.



Christensen didn't even have to accept responsibility for the overdoses as part of his plea deal.

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Christensen opted to resolve the charges without accepting responsibility for the overdose deaths, the so-called "best interest" plea. Prosecutor Andrew Carrabis presented the new terms to the judge.

Then in September, he agreed to a deal on the state charges that capped his prison sentence at no more than five years but would match the federal sentence day for day.

After the federal punishment turned out to be just one year, Judge Keever said that was not sufficient for the charges in state court. So Lubin and the prosecutors hammered out the revised arrangement.

The state charges were filed in 2013 concerning two patient overdose deaths: Florence Garrett on Sept. 27, 2007; and Pawel Staniszewski on Aug. 7, 2008, both in West Palm Beach. Prosecutors argued in court pleadings that Christensen overprescribed pills in "bad faith and without medical necessity."

According to investigators, Christensen wrote prescriptions for high doses of pain medicines without examining patients and ignored "serious drug-addict warning signs."



Sounds pretty similar to what Dr. Lisa Tseng was doing doesn't it? Which one got the worst sentence?

There's hardly a comparison. The woman got a mandatory 30 year sentence and could serve longer than that while the man got a tenth of that sentence. He may be out of prison now. And if not, he soon will be.

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Do you expect every trial to come out the same across 50 states?
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Do you expect every trial to come out the same across 50 states?



No. I expect men to get more lenient sentences for the same serious crimes than what women receive for those crimes because they are favored over women in our criminal justice system and particularly by juries.

And that's what happens.

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There's something else to keep in mind, katie. Suppose that different states and different legal maneuvers explained the differences in the sentences between what Dr. Lisa Tseng received and those two male doctors. Why would the legal system continue to act as if those differences don't matter? Especially if the concept of "equal justice under the law" was actually taken seriously?

Judges should not impose much greater sentences on women than what men receive for the same sort of crimes whether those men are in different states or not. And if they do, appellate courts should not tolerate those extreme disparities.

People of both genders should receive comparable sentences for the same crimes. The notion that this society can't manage to see to that because there are 50 states and different legal jurisdictions is ludicrous.
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Lets accept that Dr. Hsiu-Ying Tseng was discriminated against can you prove that the basis of the discrimination was her gender?
might it not have been her ethnicity?

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Lets accept that Dr. Hsiu-Ying Tseng was discriminated against can you prove that the basis of the discrimination was her gender?
might it not have been her ethnicity?



It may have been a combination of both her gender and ethnicity. Certainly neither factor kept her from being prosecuted and convicted of a crime she didn't commit. Nor did they keep her from receiving that extremely harsh sentence.

The reason I lean towards gender being the bigger factor in her case is the fact that other women who were white have been treated in similar fashion in homicide cases.
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There's something else to keep in mind, katie. Suppose that different states and different legal maneuvers explained the differences in the sentences between what Dr. Lisa Tseng received and those two male doctors. Why would the legal system continue to act as if those differences don't matter? Especially if the concept of "equal justice under the law" was actually taken seriously?

Judges should not impose much greater sentences on women than what men receive for the same sort of crimes whether those men are in different states or not. And if they do, appellate courts should not tolerate those extreme disparities.

People of both genders should receive comparable sentences for the same crimes. The notion that this society can't manage to see to that because there are 50 states and different legal jurisdictions is ludicrous.



You will have to provide a helluva lot of cases to prove any of your points.
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