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Another reason to have the option of capital punishment


While I don't believe it would have happened in the case of this monster some juries are capable of buying this kind of story about an evil woman provoking a man to lethal violence. Even the father-in-law in this case claimed that Watts "must have snapped." Having the option of capital punishment gave the prosecution more power to get this guy to plead guilty and avoid any possibility of a jury letting him off the hook.

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Chris changed his story about what happened to his wife and kids several times, eventually claiming Shanann was responsible for their daughters’ deaths and that he killed her in a moment of rage.

But in November he admitted to all of his charges, in a plea agreement to avoid the death penalty, and will spend the rest of his life in prison.



https://people.com/crime/chris-watts-love-letters-mistress-nichol-kessinger/
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I've wrestled on on off for decades with this type of crime and the death penalty, my initial reaction has always been yes, then I think for a moment what life in prison means and I like the idea as crude as it sounds for a person to suffer his entire life for a crime like this, death is peace, why give them peace, when they actually can have the torment of prison. In 2007 my sister and I crossed the bay from San Rafael to SF by ferry, beautiful area and those in San Quentin have a gorgeous view out those bars and as I went by I thought of Scott Peterson and hoped he had that view.
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i don't know if your at peace when you die. For that matter Chris Watts may be at peace now, confessing and showing the police where he buried the bodies.

Further, i don't know if Chris Watt took the plea deal because he feared death, or if he did it because it would be the best way to handle closure for his in laws and parents.

For the record his in law didn't want the death penalty on the table, he lead detectives to the bodies. He in my opinion was ready to face the consequences of his actions.

so i'm not seeing your point, as capital punishment being a reason for a option in this particular case, perhaps others however.

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Maybe that is because it wasn't the point I made, I said I wrestled with it for crimes such as this as a first reaction but I think a life sentence serves far better for punishment, on this earth.....
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A sizable proportion of people can't make up their minds whether to have capital or not. All it takes is a particularly gruesome murder.

I know that I am one of those who wrestle with this.
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I've wrestled on on off for decades with this type of crime and the death penalty, my initial reaction has always been yes, then I think for a moment what life in prison means and I like the idea as crude as it sounds for a person to suffer his entire life for a crime like this, death is peace, why give them peace, when they actually can have the torment of prison. In 2007 my sister and I crossed the bay from San Rafael to SF by ferry, beautiful area and those in San Quentin have a gorgeous view out those bars and as I went by I thought of Scott Peterson and hoped he had that view.



You assume that a person necessarily suffers a lot in prison. That may not be true for every prisoner. Richard Speck, the murderer of eight student nurses, seemed to enjoy his life behind bars. It didn't help that he was allowed access to cocaine, was able to get breast implants and apparently was more or less given the run of the prison. He claimed to have had a lot of fun behind bars which doesn't seem anything like justice for eight murders. Of course he wasn't at San Quentin. He was locked up in an Illinois prison.

One thing to keep in mind when dealing with a murderer like Speck is that they can easily reminisce about their crimes and enjoy that rather than think about them with sorrow. Speck never seemed to be the slightest bit sorry that he had committed those murders.

One other point. The main reason to have capital punishment is not to punish the criminal but simply to make sure that they aren't able to commit another murder.
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don't know if Chris Watt took the plea deal because he feared death, or if he did it because it would be the best way to handle closure for his in laws and parents.-snowpixie



Why would you wonder if a self-absorbed Prima Donna like Watts who murdered his wife and two little daughters so that he could save money and be with another woman would suddenly do something nice for his in laws and even his own parents? This guy is not exactly an example of someone who shows a lot of concern for other people or how they feel.

He probably wanted to avoid the death penalty and was quick to accept a plea bargain to do just that.

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For the record his in law didn't want the death penalty on the table, he lead detectives to the bodies. He in my opinion was ready to face the consequences of his actions.



Ready to accept the best consequences for his actions that he was going to receive which was a life sentence.

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A sizable proportion of people can't make up their minds whether to have capital or not. All it takes is a particularly gruesome murder.

I know that I am one of those who wrestle with this.



This guy murdered his pregnant wife and his two cute little daughters, 3 and 4 years old. He put the bodies of the little girls in two large oil tanks filled with oil and corrosive chemicals where he hoped they would never be found. He buried his wife nearby because her body was too large to push through the relatively small openings at the top of the tanks. His family was an inconvenience to him that would have cost him some money in a divorce so he opted to just get rid of them.

If he didn't deserve capital punishment who does?

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Richard Speck is over 50 years ago.............
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Richard Speck is over 50 years ago.............



His murder of 8 student nurses took place about 50 years ago but what relevance does that have? Speck served 25 years in prison for torturing and killing 8 young women who were planning to learn a profession in which they would have been helping people. The same profession that you became involved with.

Originally sentenced to receive capital punishment, there was some question about his jury and he managed to avoid execution. In his case, as in others, there is no evidence that there was anything good about that. He lived fairly well in prison, had access to drugs and booze and showed no signs of remorse or regret for what he had done. He wasn't mistreated in prison by others because he had killed 8 young women. He may even have bragged about those murders to other prisoners. There was never a good reason for him not to have been executed.

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