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Are there "hard" and "soft" drugs? Or just drugs?


It is not at all surprising that opioids and particularly heroin are considered "hard" drugs while pot is considered a "soft" drug. Does that make a lot of sense? Not really. It's just an arbitrary distinction.

Alcohol is probably also considered a "soft" drug by most people when it is much more toxic than either pot or heroin.

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Then we come to alcohol, which was listed as a “soft” drug 42 times, and as a “hard” one 3 times. This was surprising to me, as I didn’t expect to see alcohol listed very often in either category. Most people don’t consider alcohol a “drug”, although of course it is one, and if I had to name a “soft drug”, alcohol wouldn’t come to mind.

And how “soft” is alcohol really? Janik et al. note that in terms of toxicity and addictive potential, alcohol is more problematic than many of the “hard” drugs. Presumably, its legal status and widespread use has softened its image.

Janik et al. conclude that “hardness” is a vague concept and that scientists should probably stop using the terms “soft” and “hard”:



http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/2017/06/27/hard-soft-drugs/#.XEa2i8p7kv5
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It does make sense if you know what you are talking about. I've yet to see a death certificate that read, death by pot. It is not "arbitrary" millions everyday, doctors, lawyers, nurses, CEO's, engineers and those in the military, smoke pot. Alcohol can be "hard" or "soft" depending on how you use it, millions use it wisely, which is not true for opioids, crack, meth or cocaine, except by the very few who do use it recreationally and what they soon discover, there is no recreation and it is going down the wrong road.
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It does make sense if you know what you are talking about. I've yet to see a death certificate that read, death by pot. It is not "arbitrary" millions everyday, doctors, lawyers, nurses, CEO's, engineers and those in the military, smoke pot. Alcohol can be "hard" or "soft" depending on how you use it, millions use it wisely, which is not true for opioids, crack, meth or cocaine, except by the very few who do use it recreationally and what they soon discover, there is no recreation and it is going down the wrong road.



How can alcohol be a "soft" drug when it is more toxic than either marijuana or heroin? It can generate serious damage in the body including cirrhosis. As a nurse you should have been well aware of how toxic alcohol is.

And why should the danger of overdose qualify a drug as a "hard" drug? People can overdose on all sorts of drugs that are used for medical purposes. Even aspirin. Is aspirin a "hard" drug? Is acetaminophen(Tylenol)?

By that standard alcohol would also be a "hard" drug since people have overdosed on it quite a bit. Just ask parents who have lost kids due to the ingestion of too much alcohol during fraternity hazing events.
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Who says I'm not aware of how serious alcohol addiction is or aspirin deaths, I've seen a 13 y.o. die of an aspirin over dose, and you? You want to put it all in one box and you can't. Most use aspirin responsibly, most use alcohol responsibly, there is very little about using heroin or other hard drugs responsibly. You are barking up the wrong tree. Pot is not more toxic than alcohol, heroin or even aspirin, no death certificates, not on on a pot overdose, there is no such thing. I do not need you to tell me what a nurse should know. I am also a pot smoker of over 50 years it is legal in my state, medically and recreationally, do I seem to have a problem to you?? I am joined by other nurses, teachers, doctors, lawyers and millions of others you encounter everyday of your life. I'm no innocent babe in the woods, I grew up in the SF bay area in the 60's there was, LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, uppers and downers, PCP, smoking opium and heroin, there isn't much I didn't try, once other than heroin. You think heroin made legal will make it anything other than what it is, no it wont'. Toxicity can happen with vitamins, you just reach to far in your descriptions. Kids are not lost to just hazing in college, far more kids are lost by alcohol other than in college hazing and often not just on a one nighter but a lifelong alcohol addiction that debilatates their body from getting well when they have say pneumonia and die at 40 or 50. It is your standard and you quantify it without knowledge or experience, it isn't real world standards.
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Drugs@FDA Glossary of Terms:

https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/InformationOnDrugs/ucm079436.htm



If you live in the US these are the drug laws under which you must live - if you don't like them change them...through the recognized legal process of this society. This is called a social contract. Not everyone is going to agree with everyone else. A consensus must be reached before change can be instituted. A prime example is the difference between marijuana laws in 1950s & '60a and the current status of the marijuana laws in this country.







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When you folks finish rehashing all the decades old arguments,
please get back me relative to that nasty white power(ish) drug, that comes from the new world, mostly, that once you take it affects your blood's chemical balance in a way that you soon yearn for more, get a lift, then crush, and soon crave more. Rinse and repeat.

Its usage results in increase kidney disease risk:
Negatively impacts dental health:
Increased kidney disease risk:
Increase the risk of developing gout:
Accelerates cognitive decline:

AND remains the 7th leading cause of death in the United States in 2015, with 79,535 death certificates listing it as the underlying cause of death, and a total of 252,806 death certificates listing it as an underlying or contributing cause of death.
Mar 22, 2018

Of course YOU know what drug I'm talking about, as many otherwise decent people are totally addicted to it, using every day. In combination with caffeine, getting their fix is the first thing that do as they awake, and it wise not interact with an addict before they get their first fix of day, and then often take it in some form, just before sleeping, late at night. .

So is added sugar a hard or soft drug ?
Collectively, get back me on what y'all decide.
Individually, if you use and are high on sugar as you comment, please reframe until you are not on this drug.

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Sugar, I've had issues with this intoxicating substance but I'm always able to control when I am shoving to much in my mouth, so my labs are always good. Leaving out diabetes type 1, those who have type 2 have been naughty.. My experience it goes great till you hit 50ish and if you don't change your ways you will not only end up on pills but it can end your life earlier. Besides what Geezess mentioned you will probably have caused heart disease, you can have vision loss or blindness then there is nerve damage. Seeing a patient with black toes from necrosis have to be amputated, then one leg then the next is really gross. We are however making progress before the ACA and the preventative care it brought us diabetes was the 5th leading cause of death. There just happens to be a party who doesn't think that is a big deal for saving persons lives or them money. I can't figure that one out when it comes to the money!
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Who says I'm not aware of how serious alcohol addiction is or aspirin deaths, I've seen a 13 y.o. die of an aspirin over dose, and you? You want to put it all in one box and you can't. -katie



The point is that the terms "hard" and "soft" drugs are merely arbitrary. Almost any drug can kill or harm a person if misused. There's no need to separate them into those imaginary categories.

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Most use aspirin responsibly, most use alcohol responsibly...



Perhaps most do but that still leaves a lot of people who don't use alcohol responsibly. And even some of the relatively responsible users don't fare too well after drinking alcohol for a long time.

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...there is very little about using heroin or other hard drugs responsibly. You are barking up the wrong tree.



It's impossible to use heroin responsibly because it is illegal. If it were legal it could be used responsibly just like other narcotics which are legal.

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Pot is not more toxic than alcohol, heroin or even aspirin, no death certificates, not on on a pot overdose, there is no such thing. I do not need you to tell me what a nurse should know. I am also a pot smoker of over 50 years it is legal in my state, medically and recreationally, do I seem to have a problem to you?? I am joined by other nurses, teachers, doctors, lawyers and millions of others you encounter everyday of your life. I'm no innocent babe in the woods, I grew up in the SF bay area in the 60's there was, LSD, mescaline, mushrooms, uppers and downers, PCP, smoking opium and heroin, there isn't much I didn't try, once other than heroin. You think heroin made legal will make it anything other than what it is, no it wont'. Toxicity can happen with vitamins, you just reach to far in your descriptions. Kids are not lost to just hazing in college, far more kids are lost by alcohol other than in college hazing and often not just on a one nighter but a lifelong alcohol addiction that debilatates their body from getting well when they have say pneumonia and die at 40 or 50. It is your standard and you quantify it without knowledge or experience, it isn't real world standards.



My standard is reality. I'm not the one who invented the phony standards of "hard" and "soft" drugs which are only intellectual constructs nor am I someone who uses them.

The truth is that there is a wide spectrum of drugs with various levels of risk in using them and benefits to go with those risks. But nearly all of them can be extremely dangerous if misused.

If we are going to talk about "hard" drugs that should probably include any which are inherently toxic and harmful to use. That category includes alcohol and nicotine. It does not include most narcotics, including heroin.
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Geezess wrote:

When you folks finish rehashing all the decades old arguments,
please get back me relative to that nasty white power(ish) drug, that comes from the new world, mostly, that once you take it affects your blood's chemical balance in a way that you soon yearn for more, get a lift, then crush, and soon crave more. Rinse and repeat.

Its usage results in increase kidney disease risk:
Negatively impacts dental health:
Increased kidney disease risk:
Increase the risk of developing gout:
Accelerates cognitive decline:

AND remains the 7th leading cause of death in the United States in 2015, with 79,535 death certificates listing it as the underlying cause of death, and a total of 252,806 death certificates listing it as an underlying or contributing cause of death.
Mar 22, 2018

Of course YOU know what drug I'm talking about, as many otherwise decent people are totally addicted to it, using every day. In combination with caffeine, getting their fix is the first thing that do as they awake, and it wise not interact with an addict before they get their first fix of day, and then often take it in some form, just before sleeping, late at night. .

So is added sugar a hard or soft drug ?
Collectively, get back me on what y'all decide.
Individually, if you use and are high on sugar as you comment, please reframe until you are not on this drug.

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I've never been quick to believe the scary claims made about sugar. If sugar was as dangerous and harmful as many claim it's unlikely that our bodies would be equipped with the means to process it using insulin. It's risks have been greatly exaggerated in the liberal mass media.

It seems pretty silly to get so worked up about "evil" sugar when the sugar glucose is classified as one of the world's essential medicines. It is often given to people in hospitals.

https://www.thisisinsider.com/sugar-myths-not-true-2017-9

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Sugar, I've had issues with this intoxicating substance but I'm always able to control when I am shoving to much in my mouth, so my labs are always good. Leaving out diabetes type 1, those who have type 2 have been naughty.. My experience it goes great till you hit 50ish and if you don't change your ways you will not only end up on pills but it can end your life earlier. Besides what Geezess mentioned you will probably have caused heart disease, you can have vision loss or blindness then there is nerve damage. Seeing a patient with black toes from necrosis have to be amputated, then one leg then the next is really gross. We are however making progress before the ACA and the preventative care it brought us diabetes was the 5th leading cause of death. There just happens to be a party who doesn't think that is a big deal for saving persons lives or them money. I can't figure that one out when it comes to the money!



Diabetes is an illness that is not caused by sugar, katie.

As a nurse you have to be aware that human beings even require sugar. As you know glucose is commonly given to patients in hospitals.

That use of glucose in hospitals is one of the reasons why I don't buy the stories in the mass media about the alleged evils of sugar. Like the silly notion that heroin is an evil killer drug they are myths rather than reality.
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