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A radical idiot attempting to tie mechanisms in the hands of a person intent of abusing it as to criminal intent on the part of the seller to push the criminal's agenda. Good luck with that. A drunk in a car gets sued, or that person's insurance, not the builder of the machine nor the manufacturer of the alcohol. Would be as Finding against petroleum refineries if a arsonist or anarchist buys gas for Molotov Cocktails and ensuing damages.
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You should be used to a "radical idiot" you put one in the WH!
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A radical idiot attempting to tie mechanisms in the hands of a person intent of abusing it as to criminal intent on the part of the seller to push the criminal's agenda. Good luck with that. A drunk in a car gets sued, or that person's insurance, not the builder of the machine nor the manufacturer of the alcohol. Would be as Finding against petroleum refineries if a arsonist or anarchist buys gas for Molotov Cocktails and ensuing damages.
So why are pharmaceutical companies blamed at all for the "opioid epidemic?"
And why are drug dealers ever called murderers by prosecutors?
There is not some special "Twilight Zone" of reality where the rules for guns and alcohol don't apply in the case of drugs like heroin and other narcotics. No such place exists.
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It isn't pharmaceutical companies , it is one company and it was a failure to disclose. As I've said before Merck paid out huge sums for failure to disclose the anti inflammatory vioxx when several other companies also produced basically the same type of drug. There are plenty of pharma companies that dip into the same narcotic train and for decades who aren't in trouble and that is because we need them for pain not to make people addicted to line pockets pretty simple, to me.
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Merck isn't the company that was blamed for the "opioid epidemic." Purdue Pharma is the one which has been blamed by some people for causing that.
They may have made some mistakes and over-hyped their products in some cases as not being addictive but I don't believe they were responsible for that "epidemic."
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According to CDC only 20% addicted to Opiates(Heroin) never saw a script just graduated from one psychotic street drug up to the next. Would have to throw that challenge gauntlet down as to the percentage, cannot see the level of abuse being in the nearly Million Patients per year range to document that against Opiate ODs.
I was on Synthetic Opiate for back injury in 1976/77, Demerol, as it lost efficacy I also lost interest in the grotesque feeling it presented to me when taken. Doc here for my two back surgeries prescribed Tramadol as a pre surgery pain control as my back pain had made step increment changes in over 40 years, a LIGHT opiate laced Tylenol, had ZERO effect so gave up early on it.
I know all too many that quit as I did as the side effects nausea, constipation and congested head feeling were much too nasty to deal with while made no change in pain levels.
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According to CDC only 20% addicted to Opiates(Heroin) never saw a script just graduated from one psychotic street drug up to the next. Would have to throw that challenge gauntlet down as to the percentage, cannot see the level of abuse being in the nearly Million Patients per year range to document that against Opiate ODs.
I was on Synthetic Opiate for back injury in 1976/77, Demerol, as it lost efficacy I also lost interest in the grotesque feeling it presented to me when taken. Doc here for my two back surgeries prescribed Tramadol as a pre surgery pain control as my back pain had made step increment changes in over 40 years, a LIGHT opiate laced Tylenol, had ZERO effect so gave up early on it.
I know all too many that quit as I did as the side effects nausea, constipation and congested head feeling were much too nasty to deal with while made no change in pain levels.
Sounds like you don't see a big problem with the pharmaceutical industry. I hope you would not blame them for the "opioid epidemic" as some folks have done since they are no more to blame than gun manufacturers are to blame for shootings and distilleries are to blame for drunk driving accidents.
Of course the question remains, why should any narcotic that is safer to use when legal be illegal? That includes heroin.
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Although that one issue may be your issue but Pharma has a history of going off label and there has been many multi million dollar lawsuits, which they have lost and persons have died that had nothing to do with narcotics. You may not see it as a big deal of going off label but it is a very big deal. What have they done with establishments that sell to a drunk, in a car busted, so is the owner of that bar for serving him. You are making a serious mistake thinking legalization means safety.
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Although that one issue may be your issue but Pharma has a history of going off label and there has been many multi million dollar lawsuits, which they have lost and persons have died that had nothing to do with narcotics. You may not see it as a big deal of going off label but it is a very big deal. What have they done with establishments that sell to a drunk, in a car busted, so is the owner of that bar for serving him. You are making a serious mistake thinking legalization means safety.
I have no problem at all with any drug company or any sort of company which misleads the public or sells a defective and dangerous product getting into legal trouble. All I'm objecting to are people being accused of murder who can't possibly be guilty of that crime.
And I know that legalization is not a panacea for all the problems associated with narcotics. Legal narcotics can be misused just like illegal drugs. But the main problem is a lack of knowledge and uncertainty about products when you buy from a black market. It's much better to have a legal form of heroin available that people can take with relative safety.
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The product Used as Prescribed does NOT present a hazard generally, the Abuse of a drug to achieve well beyond that of which a physician prescribed is Patient's choice not Pharma Created Addiction. Same as Alcohol, go to a bar to get hammered and be allowed to by the staff they MAY be held accountable, not always the case, abuse alcohol and drive getting caught lose your license, many addicted to drink will drive anyway and STILL get drunk or if cannot be served buy and down Bottles to attain that drunk. Who is at fault there, the maker of booze?
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