katie5445
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You can't have heroin legal, no country does, so let's get past that as it will never happen. There have been doctors procescuted which you also disagree with and damn straights those who do it knew exactly what they were doing and should be charged as well. Reported is that fentanyl/oxy's came illegally from China. Typical was fentanyl patches that were used along with morphine for the terminally ill. There are diseases that oxycontin is useless and morphine can come to that point as well, it is when they use high doses of morphine and a fentanyl patch and even then you have patients with certain diseases suffer, as in anything to do with bones. I long supported heroin for these patients. The vast majority of doctors do prescribe to patients that need them, if you think it is difficult to identify a drug seeker you would be wrong, easy mark. Doctors who do it are not only over prescribing for money, they give patients false diagnosis to keep them coming back, ordering unnecessary tests and scamming the public. Life is short, why would you want anyone to mask pain of rape, of child molestation, of beatings with drugs? I want people to get past that and live a full, albeit very short life.
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Heroin is legally available in some countries, katie. It could be legally available here also. It's just nonsense and propaganda that has kept that from happening.
As for people masking pain either psychological or physical with narcotics shouldn't that always be their choice? I would rather some extremely depressed person would turn to any drug that could help them overcome that depression, including narcotics, than have them fool around with ineffective psychotherapy. The latter hasn't worked for some people.
And keep in mind that narcotics don't keep people from seeking therapy or justice if they have been wronged. They just help them deal with pain.
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I am okay with narcotics. They can be soothing at times and make people who've been through a lot feel better. I fully trust that someone who LOVES and uses this stuff will be caused far fewer HITS and may help someone with an otherwise THIN chance of surviving.
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Someone who has been "through a lot" should not be masking pain with alcohol or drugs. They do not make you feel better, they make it worse, far worse.
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Someone who has been "through a lot" should not be masking pain with alcohol or drugs. They do not make you feel better, they make it worse, far worse.
I'm not sure that is always true, at least in the case of narcotics. They can definitely help people deal with pain both physical and psychological. Of course being dependent on them in this society is problematic because you're liable to find your supply very limited. Turning to the black market is too dangerous.
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NO doctor would prescribe narcotics (depressants) to treat "psychological pain"
the dangers would far outweigh any possible benefit
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katie5445
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That is 100% true, no legit MD anyway, they don't help in the psych area, their ownley use is for pain or to get high or feed an addiction. Remember pain pills mask pain, mask being the key word, it is not a cure for psych ailments, it makes it worse. Psych drugs are in another family, benzodiazepines, anti-depressants, anti-psychotics and so on, a very long list with many drugs.
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NO doctor would prescribe narcotics (depressants) to treat "psychological pain"
the dangers would far outweigh any possible benefit
Maybe not but I'm not sure they shouldn't. Narcotics have few side effects compared to some of the anti-depressants and they have anti-depressant effects even though technically they qualify as depressants.
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I have told you why. Narcotics are for pain, they do nothing for psych disorders, there is no maybe. You are also wrong about anti-depressants, The proof of that would be death statistics and narcotics, wins.
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9/8/2019, 10:27 pm
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I have told you why. Narcotics are for pain, they do nothing for psych disorders, there is no maybe. You are also wrong about anti-depressants, The proof of that would be death statistics and narcotics, wins.
No, there's a maybe. Obviously narcotics do much more than just relieve pain, unlike nsaids. Drugs like aspirin only relieve pain and people don't become addicted to them but narcotics are addictive because they provide other benefits.
Narcotics are actually antidepressants even though they are not classed as such. Anything which generates a level of euphoria is an antidepressant.
The other drugs that are classed as antidepressants are a mixed bag. They are generally fairly safe but there are side effects such as serotonin syndrome which can occur that are very serious.
Also, as I've pointed out, much of the danger of using narcotics is generated by the way this society deals with them including creating a dangerous black market.
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