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The persons I've seen overweight are persons who diabetes isn't controlled with insulin, they have all kinds of severe health problems, high blood pressure uncontrolled, heart and kidney problems and weight gain



OK here goes (incoming!)

Most (almost all) type 2 diabetics are fat (at least at diagnosis).
They are diabetics because they are fat, they eat too much and have eaten too much for years and their pancreas has packed up its toys and gone to play else where!


People who are diabetic and are fat arent fat BECAUSE they are diabetics they are diabetics Because they are fat!

IF you are severely diabetic and not taking treatment you will not be fat, you will be thin or even skeletally thin because you are not absorbing sugars (carbohydrates) from your food.
 Therefore, you will be seriously calorie deficient - you will also have a whole truck load of other problems partly due to the high glucose levels in your blood (eye and kidney problems mainly) and partly due to the build up of ketones from you have to metabolize fats and proteins.



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Sorry, you aren't going to dumb me down. I am more than aware how important diet is for diabetics, whether type I or II.



Oh dear ! "dumb you down" ? In point of fact I was counting on your intelligence and intellectual integrity when I asked you if you suggest changes in diet in the classes that you teach and how does that your contention.

So why are, what is the goals of those dietary changes ?
My humble understanding is reduce fat, specifically, internal body core fat, sometimes referred to as liver fat,

1) is that not the fact
2) so how is dieting to reduce fat as the base treatment not evidence that fat, so overeating, is not the root case, or at very least, the leading physical causal mechanism of the largest growing decease, type 2 diabetes and like to contribute to others.

Please do not be evasive and trying to dumb this discussion down, Kately, outta the same level of egoistic personal pride that has Trump drawing new fake news on weather maps.

    
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You were "counting on me" right.
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The persons I've seen overweight are persons who diabetes isn't controlled with insulin, they have all kinds of severe health problems, high blood pressure uncontrolled, heart and kidney problems and weight gain



OK here goes (incoming!)

Most (almost all) type 2 diabetics are fat (at least at diagnosis).
They are diabetics because they are fat, they eat too much and have eaten too much for years and their pancreas has packed up its toys and gone to play else where!


People who are diabetic and are fat arent fat BECAUSE they are diabetics they are diabetics Because they are fat!

IF you are severely diabetic and not taking treatment you will not be fat, you will be thin or even skeletally thin because you are not absorbing sugars (carbohydrates) from your food.
 Therefore, you will be seriously calorie deficient - you will also have a whole truck load of other problems partly due to the high glucose levels in your blood (eye and kidney problems mainly) and partly due to the build up of ketones from you have to metabolize fats and proteins.




I don't disagree with diabetes type 2 and your opinion of "most all" but it doesn't describe everyone and then there is diabetes type I and far more serious issues, especially with juvenile diabetes.
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Yes, I was counting on your intelligence and intellectual integrity :
"In point of fact I was counting on your intelligence and intellectual integrity when I asked you if you suggest changes in diet in the classes that you teach and how does that your contention."

You win. You made a fool of me.
You proved that it is/was wrong to expect intelligence and intellectual integrity, here, and especially from you.
Silly me.
I'm so wounded.
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I didn't win anything, at all, healthcare and healthcare facts are not about winning or losing an argument. You "counted on my intelligence," really? Is this the first time I've been disagreed with, hardly. Persons read, persons have family, friends, which disagrees with what I say. Almost 40 yrs. of nursing and thousands upon thousands of patients, I know different from what can be a norm by their experience or the typical info persons read. I'm trying to present what I've seen, not trying to be some mean smarmy know it all, if I come off that way, sorry and I really am, as I'm trying to present what my experience are, not make someone else to be an idiot.
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So why do recommend changing ones diet if being fat is not related to diabetes ?
Have you ever misspeak or otherwise been mistaken ?
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then there is diabetes type I and far more serious issues, especially with juvenile diabetes.




not a great source (UK NHS - what do they know?)

Following a diagnosis of type 1 diabetes, it is common to be underweight. Usually once you're put onto insulin you should find you settle back into your normal weight within a few weeks.

If your blood sugar levels are consistently high, you may find it more difficult to put on weight. It is important not to allow your blood sugar levels to run high for long periods as this can lead to a very real chance of diabetic complications occurring.


So (type 1) untreated you are under weight - you get treatment you regain the weight you have lost (OK you are on insulin and you gain weight!)

BUT if you under treat your type 1 you will lose weight again

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I've already said it is more common to be underweight with diabetes, I have mentioned other auto immune diseases, especially when a patient is on mass doses of prednisone, they blow up like a balloon. Kathleen Turner did not get fat from booze which was the accusation or food, mass doses of prednisone from rheumatoid arthritis. My mother a very thin person, all her life gained 40 lbs while on mass does of prednisone, it was part of her chemo treatment for cancer.
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Kathleen Turner did not get fat from booze which was the accusation or food, mass doses of prednisone from rheumatoid arthritis.




Ive been on prednisone, they were tiny little pills hard to imagine that they contained many calories

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