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Bazooka's in Kansas City, a striptease establishment, shows videos of their dancers dancing in the nude while the performers on stage wear the bits of clothing required under Missouri law.

Exactly why they do that is unknown but it might have something to do with wanting to defy the law which in Missouri requires strip tease performers to be partially covered during their routines.

It's interesting how the first amendment seems to apply more to movies and videos than it does to live performances, at least according to judges and justices on the Supreme Court. The fact that that makes no sense doesn't seem to bother them.

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Bazooka’s, an adult entertainment venue in downtown Kansas City, now offers videos of its nude and seminude dancers on large, flat-screen televisions adjacent to the stage. While a dancer performs live with her intimate areas covered, as the law requires, a video of the same dancer — with those areas exposed — appears on the screens.



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If dancing in the nude in a strip tease club is a crime then why aren't the videos of dancers performing in the nude seized as evidence and the dancers then prosecuted? Seems like something the authorities could do if they took the law seriously.

Other crimes that were on video would lead to arrests.
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I'm going to guess. Nudity and women are different in video than live women naked. You can get on a computer as well and see what you want to see but I'm thinking a real naked live body is far more in their interest. In Portland and across this country, I can go see a naked men's show as well, we just don't have the same reaction, it's more of a laugh and a giggle than getting hot, bothered and maybe satisfied.
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I'm going to guess. Nudity and women are different in video than live women naked. You can get on a computer as well and see what you want to see but I'm thinking a real naked live body is far more in their interest. In Portland and across this country, I can go see a naked men's show as well, we just don't have the same reaction, it's more of a laugh and a giggle than getting hot, bothered and maybe satisfied.



You have a point about nude male go go dancers jumping around on stage trying to be sexy but that's another issue.

Live nude striptease performances aren't artistic and aren't protected by the First Amendment because you can view the performers live? Interesting theory. That should mean that all live plays can be censored and restricted by the government whenever they contain something it doesn't approve of. After all, there are real people on stage performing live rather than on film.

If you're right why does the Supreme Court and state governments have no problem with nudity in stage plays but only in striptease places? The nude people in plays are just as nude as any stripper has been.

A real live nude performer generates interest that filmed nudity doesn't generate but that's why places feature them in the first place. To attract customers. And that includes plays as well as strip joints.

The bottom line is that nudity can be viewed either live or in films but it doesn't suddenly become immoral or less subject to First Amendment protection if it is live. That makes no sense at all.
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It wasn't a matter of my being right, I said I guessed. My opinion is we don't live in a world that makes sense.
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It wasn't a matter of my being right, I said I guessed. My opinion is we don't live in a world that makes sense.



It's not so much the world as many of the things that people believe about it. The notion that live nudity on stage is somehow less moral than film nudity is one of those things. That is a completely ridiculous idea and yet some people attempt to defend it.

As for the reason behind the notion that nudity on stage(except in plays) isn't subject to First Amendment protection that has more to do with who are the folks trying to make a living by being nude dancers and who brought the nude dancing cases to the Supreme Court. It certainly can't be based on any legal precedents or moral standards that make sense.
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And whose moral standards? Artistic nudity doesn't exist? How about on the beach or a woman breast feeding, It makes sense to some and some it doesn't but on the other hand you don't have to go to strip clubs or naked on the beach, it's called choice,
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And whose moral standards? Artistic nudity doesn't exist? How about on the beach or a woman breast feeding, It makes sense to some and some it doesn't but on the other hand you don't have to go to strip clubs or naked on the beach, it's called choice,



The government's moral standards are the relevant ones in this case. They are what's behind the law and the Supreme Court's inconsistent ruling about nudity on stage.

The problem isn't that the government didn't believe that there is artistic nudity. Their problem was with the idea that striptease performers could generate that sort of art so the Supreme Court and various lawmakers engaged in a little prior restraint, the very thing that previous Supreme Court rulings had ruled out.

What the Supreme Court was really doing was discriminating against the women who work as nude dancers while claiming that what they did wasn't protected by the First Amendment.
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there used to be a poster here that complained about women who appeared naked in films were being "abused" by the producers/directors I wish I could remember her name

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there used to be a poster here that complained about women who appeared naked in films were being "abused" by the producers/directors I wish I could remember her name



Who was that? emoticon

I recall Canadian actress Neve Campbell talking on a TV talk show about her nude scene in a film being important to the plot. What was the scene? Her taking a shower.

Actresses are exploited in films while being told that their nudity is important to advance the story line of the movie. The notion that their nude exploitation is somehow artistic because some film director directed them to do things like take a shower or a bath is laughable. What's artistic about somebody taking a bath or a shower?

Nudity in films is just a gimmick to try to make more money while slinging bull about it being important to the plot.

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