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Ok, what does TPG mean?
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Including censorship ? -Geezess


"Censorship is an indication of what cultures respect and care about protecting."

Like what only the elite priestly class should be allowed to know for the protection of the elite priestly class's power ?

If I did not nail it, please explain otherwise with specific examples ... if you would not be betraying your loyalty to a class or other elite segment, not to the whole of society, my Grand Wizard.



I'm not talking about censorship to protect those in power from criticism or replacement by superior leadership in a democratic society but censorship along the lines of libel and slander laws, designed to protect the citizens in a society from harm of some kind. Why is the N word off limits? Isn't it because it is essentially a form of slander that harms or offends black people? The same thing is true of the B word when directed at women.

I also believe that films which depict violence may need to be censored if there is good reason to believe that they promote real violence against innocent people. The same thing may be true of some video games. Freedom of expression is not more important than people's physical safety.

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Right, so you only support "good" censorship believing those given the power to decide what should be censored will never abuse that power. They will only, ever, censor "THEM PEOPLE" who we all just know should not be allowed ... period.

It is cheerfully naive and optimistic side of you that is seldom seen, here, isn't it, boss ?

Let's get real here

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Right, so you only support "good" censorship believing those given the power to decide what should be censored will never abuse that power. They will only, ever, censor "THEM PEOPLE" who we all just know should not be allowed ... period.

It is cheerfully naive and optimistic side of you that is seldom seen, here, isn't it, boss ?

Let's get real here



Sounds like a good idea. The reality is that the government and the rest of this society will practice censorship of some kind.

What I'm doing is advocating that the censorship which takes place make sense rather than advocate some unrealistic scenario where our government practices no censorship at all.

I'll give you an example of the kind of censorship I don't necessarily have a problem with. The UK, not exactly known for having an oppressive government, banned "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre." I object to the idea that such censorship is inherently evil. It's not evil at all. It's merely a government acting to protect its citizens.
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Never invite the head vampire into your house, or you’ll be powerless to stop him.
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I consider vampires to be so silly that they can't be very scary. The notion that such creatures could turn themselves into bats or smoke and would not enter your house without being invited is so nonsensical that it's laughable.

They are right up there with those goofy talking apes from the Planet of the Apes movies. Pure silly nonsense that is so ridiculous it isn't even entertaining as fantasy.
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I consider vampires to be so silly that they can't be very scary. The notion that such creatures could turn themselves into bats or smoke and would not enter your house without being invited is so nonsensical that it's laughable.

They are right up there with those goofy talking apes (the moonbats argument, really Philler ?)from the Planet of the Apes movies. Pure silly nonsense that is so ridiculous it isn't even entertaining as fantasy.




lol, total evasive distraction. But do not pass GO.

Should someone who does not understand or takes (fains) exception with a normal cultural reference because it works just as intended, to be politically inconvenient, to the would be, biased, censor, be in charge of what others are allowed to say ?
 
"Good censorship" IS a myth just like you point out about vampires and with all of the attributes you assign to vampires. "Good censorship" run by whom, YOU, will be the smoke as in smoke in mirrors that soon will enter your own house, too, because the role of the censor will become a partisan prize that will be turned on you and come back to bite you in your ... neck.

BTW another thing that your mythical "good censorship" has in common with vampires, a mythical literary stand-in for any form of deadly evil, is that both must invited in, both must be accepted, allowed to come in, be permitted in, to do their inevitably evil dirty work.

"In order to enter any house owned by humans, witches, werewolves, or doppelgängers, vampires or hybrids must be invited by the owners of the home. Once invited, the vampire cannot be uninvited unless the ownership of the house changes. ... Vampires do not need to be invited into public places (such as bars or restaurants).Aug 19, 2014
Why do vampires have to be invited in? - Science Fiction & Fantasy ...
https://scifi.stackexchange.com › questions › why-do-vampires-have-to-be-i...


 So justify your need for some sort of good censorship and tell us who, exactly, should be the censor, the gate keeper, to what you, what we all, are allowed to know ?

In the real world, from some people's (Rupert Murdoch's ? ) point of view isn't FNN the best example of exactly what you are advocating ? How is it not the best real world example of where your idea will always go ?



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It wasn't a distraction, just my take on vampires.

As for the question of whether there can be good censorship of course that is possible. Child pornography being banned by the government is one example. Our libel and slander laws are all about good censorship also. Protecting people from having their lives ruined by people lying about them is not a bad thing to do.

But the problem that you seem to be overlooking is that governments don't require my permission or your permission or anyone's permission to practice censorship. As soon as they have the power to censor they will censor when they feel it is justified. The question then becomes are they right? What we need to have is a way of reviewing their censorship, of closely looking at what they are doing to make sure if censorship happens it makes sense.

Sometimes that is possible and sometimes it is extremely difficult without being inside the government itself.
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It wasn't a distraction, just my (literal) take on vampires, to avoid the point of a mythical reference ? .



As for the question of whether there can be good censorship of course that is possible. ust never likely in reality, again who would be the censor, you or me ?

Child pornography being banned by the government is one example. Our libel and slander laws are all about good censorship also. Protecting people from having their lives ruined by people lying about them is not a bad thing to do.

that is a prohibition not censorship and a desperate new attempt at distraction.

But the problem that you seem to be overlooking is that governments don't require my permission or your permission or anyone's permission to practice censorship. Are you reduced to hopeless fatalism having no positive point to counter mine ?

As soon as they have the power to censor they will censor when they feel it is justified. The question then becomes are they right? What we need to have is a way of reviewing their censorship, of closely looking at what they are doing to make sure if censorship happens it makes sense.

THEY WHO, the totalitarians that I said are who you represent and are too hopeless to resist ? Okay, if your point is valid you are a Quisling with only half hatched awareness of political reality

Sometimes that is possible and sometimes it is extremely difficult without being inside the government itself.





So you choose to, (must avoid) my point and specific questions:

" So justify your need for some sort of good censorship and tell us who, exactly, should be the censor, the gate keeper, to what you, what we all, are allowed to know ?

In the real world, from some people's (Rupert Murdoch's ? ) point of view isn't FNN the best example of exactly what you are advocating ? How is it not the best real world example of where your idea will always go ?"

How pathetic is that ?
   
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That is obvious by the context, unless you are in denial somehow.

"I also don't have any big problem with what I consider reasonable censorship " ?

Who gets to censor whom and what ?
 



Ah yes, "obvious by the content" and "in denial" does that ever get old?? I don't know what FNN means but I do know certain Euro countries have laws on hate speech but then those countries were invaded by boots on the ground and their govt./country taken over by hate mongers, who mass murdered them in concentration camps, by war in their own countries and ruined their economy for years to come. The sticks and stones will only hurt me, is baloney, so do words.
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