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Re: Let's get real here. In the real spirit of TBG, this is not out of line, Philler.


So if you do not know that FNN is FOX network News, well, are you inviting the vampires and censors into your house ?

Then isn't disqualifying the clearest way to say what you might not like because it is not PC to you, both attempted censorship of a sort and denial itself, Katie ?

Just because it's politically inconvenient to you does not mean that the STILL unanswered questions are no longer valid.
So in the defense of totalitarian censorship do you or Philler have anything that is not just too "old" to be important anymore, yourselves ? Show me.
Why not answer the questions ?
Too radical for you to clear and honest ?
Aren't people just like that going to be the censors so defining what is the State's truth because only they are politically reliable enough ?
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So you choose to, (must avoid) my point and specific questions:

" So justify your need for some sort of good censorship and tell us who, exactly, should be the censor, the gate keeper, to what you, what we all, are allowed to know ?

In the real world, from some people's (Rupert Murdoch's ? ) point of view isn't FNN the best example of exactly what you are advocating ? How is it not the best real world example of where your idea will always go ?"

-Cheezits

I've already given examples of good censorship and the gatekeepers include all of us and of course the government. Governments will always censor what they want to censor. The first amendment doesn't have the power to stop our government from censoring nor allowing others to practice censorship. Not only that but when our government violates the first amendment I've seen little evidence of most Americans being upset by that.

I don't pay much attention to FNN but it seems to be more of a source of propaganda than a source of censorship.
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I happen to watch FOX and CNN, PBS,C-Span, BBC, NBC<CBS<ABC and al-Jareeza till it was dropped. Then I fact check, conservative online, especially Kristol, George Will, I respect Judge Napolitano. I check out the libertarian views and liberals, I avoid personal attacks, conspiracy theories, so it isn't a matter of censoring, that I can do in MY house. I have a problem with all cable news and that is especially FOX. We all know the saying shouting fire in a crowded theater. and that it isn't literally a fire in a theater. The UK hate speech law includes, threats, abuse, harassment, or what causes alarm or distress. The first three people think are covered by law but really aren't for minorities, the last two, no one here cares if someone is alarmed or distressed. I also think the saying sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me, is bollocks. They do to the point of violence, injury, death and we are repeatedly seeing that. I am not for clamping free speech, I don't think anyone takes joy in that and the problem is everyone has different boundaries from many to none. The rest of your post is quite cheeky, as an "old" person I am revelant as I was when I was young, even more so cause I'm not a dumb kid now. Mr. Trump however thinks he's Peter Pan. I did not reply immediately(I'm not your wife) as my husband has been going through chemo, you should be old enough to have a clue before you post!
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You both are showing your authoritarian nature. It is your right to be that way but it just a symptom of it to behave as if YOU, but only you, are not open to criticism, especially when you do not own up it because as authoritarians, naturally, others must accept your thinking. Relative to the known nature of a authoritarian could be more cute for an authoritarian to do than :

"I've already given examples of good censorship and the gatekeepers include all of us and of course the government."
... so you must agree with what I have said because I said it and you must stop questioning me or if what I have told you could be wrong.

"I happen to watch FOX and CNN, PBS,C-Span, BBC, NBC<CBS<ABC and al-Jareeza till it was dropped."
... so why didn't you know FNN is ?

Fox News Network LLC - Company Profile and News ...
https://www.bloomberg.com › profile › company
Fox News Network, LLC operates as a media service company. The Company offers FOX news channel, political and business news, breaking-news coverage, ...

... then act as if I were wrong to refer the corporate entity not just the propaganda wing as an example of where the sort of elitist censorship that you support always goes ?

If you both just were to admit that your support of censorship is
like the most authoritarian aspect of any totalitarian government but okay with y'all because you, being authoritarians, naturally, assume that your form of censorship would always and only ever negatively effect them others , because, as authoritarians, you are always correct in your own minds, blind to reality and so any differing points of views
... well, then you would be actually be right and could think that you have won, as much as authoritarians ever do, anyway.




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As I wrote that my mind kept going back to being a freshman in high school and an authoritarian self-appointed disciplinarian math teacher who terrorized all the freshman until we took a clue from the upper classmen who had belled that cat. They would point with their chins whenever he appeared and everyone would just stop talking whenever he showed up, then laugh at him as when he had passed.

It worked perfectly, as to him as all of students seemed to only seen but not heard and were showing him all of the respect that craved in his limited and deluded view, to his face at least.

I've got to think that we all have known a petty authoritarian like that at some point in our lives. It, being an authoritarian curmudgeon is a common meme, a common literary protagonist, a common cliche', to whom there no point in confronting because you can't ever tell them anything.

... Not even something as simple and obvious that allowing censorship is like inviting vampires, another (mythical literary) cliche' representing any evil, into your house, were, eventually it will harm you, too.

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Censorship is not like a vampire. It doesn't need to be invited into your house. It's already there.

Show me a government that doesn't practice censorship. Or an individual. We censor ourselves everyday.

Can you imagine a world without censorship where everyone blurted out whatever they were thinking all the time? A world full of Trump like characters blathering about whatever popped into their heads.

It might be a safer world in some ways where we'd know what people thought about us but also one with more conflicts.
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Evil and immorality are in us all, too.
It does not need a overseer as does censorship.
Who will be the official censor, once it's codified (allowed in) as the norm and so as a political tool ?
Why will the censor's personal evil and immorality, then, not just become the societal norm. *

Trump is doing that without censorship already, so censorship is clearly not needed.

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Evil and immorality are in us all, too.
It does not need a overseer as does censorship.
Who will be the official censor, once it's codified (allowed in) as the norm and so as a political tool ?
Why will the censor's personal evil and immorality, then, not just become the societal norm. *

Trump is doing that without censorship already, so censorship is clearly not needed.

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Evil and immorality has a top overseer just as does censorship. It's called the government. Our government decides what behaviour is acceptable in this society and censors things when it considers that justified. I'm not giving it permission to do anything that it isn't already doing and has been doing for a long time.

As for the censor's personal evil and immorality becoming the societal norm what do you think has been happening since we have had a government in this country? Our "war on drugs" is a good example of that personal evil and immorality becoming a societal norm. It's such a societal norm that even now lots of people on both sides of the political spectrum believe that using narcotics is a bad thing for people to do.
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Do come in more evil more big government ?
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Evil is in all of us? My recollection is I've never been evil but morally, whose would like to choose? Our govt. is not evil, some of the people are though. I don't think anyone enjoys big govt. that is wasteful, like what it costs the taxpayers for the Trump family to hang out at Mar- a- lago, drain the swamp and all, wasn't that supposed to be Trumps #1 job, yet we have him & his family and buddies from China, Russia, former Soviet Union countries involved in our elections/politics, DeVos costing us a fine, fancy desks/furniture to flying freebies, hotels to special phone boxes. Conservatives don't seem to mind but mention health care for all and it's not on my dime, it's socialism/communism! Let's talk big govt, is it the powers that be or the civil servant worker bee who continually gets slammed as do nothings. I'll tell you a little about those worker bees, some monitoring foster care homes with 130 clients, who can do that and not miss homes children should not be in, no one. Who can manage welfare fraud when those worker bees have more clients than that, no one. Millions spend the day doing nothing but data entry, whether on the fed, state, county or city level that no one sees in a computer and most definetley should what about people??
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