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This country has been down that road for decades, including Tipper Gore and banning certain music. No study has ever shown that music or films MAKE people murder. That is impossible unless you are nuts and already have deviant thoughts in your mind, which they do, That they identify with with a character in a film, is meaningless, that is what makes them do what they do not get ideas, they have enough of freaky ideas on their own, it is identifying with a character thinking he is admirable which is completely different! If you want to go to court and say I watched Freddie, Chucky as a defense, you will go down, cause it's silly and like I said, kids don't do those movies anymore. They are into stuff with CGI and they know how it's done, sane kids don't take on what you think they do, they actually think you have made a really dumb remark, that is dumbing them down. This isn't the 80s or 90's anymore, kids are far smarter than you give credit. It reminds me how conservatives think kids aren't getting an education, when they couldn't open a 5th math book and have a clue how to figure out the problem. What kids are offered in high school now, I was offered in college and sometimes not. Crazy kids on the news always make headlines, kids who aren't, you get the yearly spelling bee. They are becoming entreprenuers as teens, they know what they have to do to succeed. My grandson, says he hates school, 8 classes all A's including in Spanish and French where they put him this year in an international baccalaureate class for both Spanish and French, where my daughter a Spanish interpreter said he'd flunk out as you can't do Spanish and French, yes you can and not with my help. Most kids know what they are up against in the future and unlike Trump and conservatives say, we are producing the best of the best as this world is far more than learning the 3 "R's" to get ahead. Kids have become amazing and I love it as an involved teen/young adult in the 60's/70's where we were held to the same standard as just being stupid kids, no we weren't, we were right!
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Freddy and Chucky are strawmen since I never claimed that they contributed to copycat crimes. They are monster characters that people would have more trouble identifying with than the young human couple in "Natural Born Killers."

It's always interesting to me when people claim that movies and TV shows play no role in generating crime and violence since we have a whole industry based on influencing people to do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. It's called advertising.

A movie or TV show which depicts violence in any sort of positive way as if it can provide benefits to a violent criminal is essentially an advertisement for violence. It's promoting violence just as beer ads promote the buying and drinking of beer.

The reason why we no longer see cigarette ads on TV is because our government decided to ban them to keep them from continuing to influence the American public to do something that would harm them. Was that wrong? It was censorship and it was done to reduce the problem of people harming themselves from smoking, not harming other people by shooting them. That seems to be at least an equally good thing for the government to try to prevent.
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You are assuming persons get these "characters" off the top of their heads, I say, film gets these "characters" from real life and then their own imagination tossed in. Persons would do it otherwise, for centuries these types of crimes had been committed, yet there was no radio, no tv, no movies. That is not quite the same as tv ads where a product is going to make your clothes or your teeth whiter. Cigarettes have been proven to cause disease, movies on the other hand have been proven not to cause someone go dinghy and cause one to chop up body parts nor eat them.
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There has been no study that proves films like "Halloween" or "Natural Born Killers" don't promote violent copycat crimes.

And while people have been committing crimes for a long time even before films came along that doesn't mean that films can't promote such crimes. People had been smoking tobacco before cigarette ads also but that doesn't mean those ads didn't increase the amount of tobacco smoking or direct it toward cigarettes.

Even a TV program or film which depicts a fictional killer murdering people to eliminate witnesses during a robbery can promote that type of homicide in real life. That's a good reason for people who make such programs and films to never portray armed robbers that way. Instead they should be portrayed in a way which is true of the majority of armed robbers. They don't kill people. They simply commit the robbery and leave. They solve the problem of witnesses by wearing masks or disguises if they even care about the presence of witnesses.

People who make films and TV programs have an enormous responsibility not to promote violent crime.
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There have been "no studies," ummm, for decades their has. People are violent, that is how violent movies are made. War is violent and there are plenty of heartbreaking violent war movies. Rape is violent as is being mugged or even having your home burgled and feeling unsafe, life is violent. I don't disagree that tabacco ads increased sales but so has Tide and wrinkle creams and weight loss pills.
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You should know that studies are always questionable katie and need to be taken with a grain of salt. Besides, what studies ever claimed to prove that films can't generate copycat crimes? More likely they simply claimed that they couldn't show such a connection.

Suppose you were a not too bright criminal who was thinking about committing an armed robbery. And you saw a TV show which seemed to indicate that the professional and smart armed robbers silenced the witnesses. Or perhaps a series of such shows which seemed to indicate that smart armed robbers kill witnesses.

All it might take for you to believe such a stupid idea and then to commit an armed robbery and murder the people there would be the simple reality that you were a dumb armed robber capable of believing such fictional BS. That's why TV shows and films have such an enormous responsibility. Lots of criminals are not very bright and can actually believe such bullshit.

That's one reason why I like the films made about the famous Brink's robbery in Boston. Those armed robbers slipped into the Brink's building with copied keys, held the place up for around 2 million dollars and never shot or harmed anyone. They simply wore masks.

Those were real professional armed robbers, not the phony kind of fictional ones made up for TV and bad movies.
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I am very familiar with studies and many I do take with a grain of salt, it is dependent on how it was done which means meeting certain criteria. So now your into what if criminal dramas on tv, why don't we all just chuck them then if what you say is true, most of us would be dead. Most criminals are not bright, that is why we have a couple million in jail.............they were lousy criminals. So if it is true you are okay as long as it's robbery without shooting or harming anyone. Maybe you can start an online uni course, how to commit crimes without violence.
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I am very familiar with studies and many I do take with a grain of salt, it is dependent on how it was done which means meeting certain criteria.-katie



And how do you know that the critical criteria are met without doing the study yourself? Do you simply take the word of the researchers?

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So now your into what if criminal dramas on tv, why don't we all just chuck them then if what you say is true, most of us would be dead. Most criminals are not bright, that is why we have a couple million in jail.............they were lousy criminals. So if it is true you are okay as long as it's robbery without shooting or harming anyone. Maybe you can start an online uni course, how to commit crimes without violence.



I'm not claiming that armed robbery is OK, only that if we are going to have armed robberies, and we obviously do have them, it is better that the armed robbers not be so stupid and misinformed by the entertainment media that they believe they need to shoot people who are witnesses. Telling stories about criminals is not something that is going to go away but when people make films and TV shows about them they need to recognize how much influence they can have on people who tend to be not very bright to start with. It is not a good idea to confuse them even more with bullshit like that baloney about killing witnesses being what smart robbers do.

Real life criminals like Willie Sutton and the Brinks robbers are much more interesting than the kind of ruthless killers that much of fictional crime stories are full of. And at a minimum it should be made clear in films and TV shows that murdering people is stupid, not something that smart criminals do.
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Gosh, God forbid we have stupid robbers who are misinformed instead of smart ones that don't pay attention to tv dramas, really?? Maybe they should watch Cary Grant on how to be a handsome, non violent, burglar and fall in love with a hot young chick named Grace Kelly. emoticon
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Gosh, God forbid we have stupid robbers who are misinformed instead of smart ones that don't pay attention to tv dramas, really?? Maybe they should watch Cary Grant on how to be a handsome, non violent, burglar and fall in love with a hot young chick named Grace Kelly. emoticon



We don't have to worry about having stupid robbers. The only question is just how stupid they are. If stupid enough they will be capable of believing any BS they see in films and TV shows about what smart, clever criminals do.

It's not that difficult for film makers or TV show producers not to depict stupid illegal activity as if it was really the smart thing to do.
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