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Bankrolled by Time Warner, NBK dispatches psycho lovebirds Mickey (Woody Harrelson) and Mallory (Juliette Lewis) on a murderous, junk-culture joyride. Along the way it melds 35mm with Super-8, animation with back projection and stylised carnage with a thunderous rock soundtrack. The initial response was enthusiastic. The film sailed to the top of the US box office, with Variety dubbing it "the most hallucinatory and anarchic picture made at a major Hollywood studio in the last 20 years...a psychedelic documentary on the American cult of sex, violence and celebrity."

But as the body count mounted, the reaction turned icy. Mario Vargas Llosa publicly cursed the film at the 1994 Venice film festival. David Puttnam (who had previously worked with Stone on 1978's Midnight Express) labelled it "loathsome". In the opinion of the Daily Mail, NBK was simply "evil". "If ever a film deserved to be banned," it concluded, "this is it."

f the media were looking for a fall guy, they found him in Stone. To his critics, the director was a ready-made hypocrite: a rich kid who volunteered for Vietnam and then made Oscar-winning films (Platoon, Born on the Fourth of July) lambasting the war; a peace-loving Buddhist who freely admitted that movie violence was "cool". His film, too, was derided as hypocrisy in action: a supposed satire on screen violence that wallowed in two hours of stylised atrocity and then berated the viewer for getting off on it. Thus the director found himself cast as a wicked Svengali, with Natural Born Killers his murderous instruction manual.

Stone is not a man you would think of as a sensitive type. Eight years on, however, he admits that the flak left him shaken. "The controversy was huge, no question about it," he says now. "To my mind, almost everything that was important about Natural Born Killers was overlooked amid all that hysteria over the death toll, and all the nonsense about whether or not I was promoting violence or instigating murder."



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It's not nonsensical to at least ask the question. And I'm afraid the true answer is not one that Stone would like to know. Films can do more than encourage people to do good things. They can also encourage and inspire them to do bad things. His film is no exception and most likely if it had not been made some people would not have been murdered by nitwits who identified with the fictional killers in the film.

Whether Stone likes it or not, that's a big deal. He claims no responsibility for those crimes but I'm far from convinced that he is completely blameless. He certainly is responsible for producing a crappy movie which makes violence look exciting and fun.

It's a bit ironic that the film supposedly had a noble purpose which was to show how the mass media exploited violence in America for its news stories while itself promoting real life violence that became even greater grist for the mass news media. One of the worst examples of that was the mass murder at Columbine High School by two students who were apparently inspired by Stone's film. They were fans.

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You keep saying films inspire persons to do bad things, major studies over decades have proved you wrong. I'm a fan of most Oliver Stone movies, millions upon millions around the world have been and you name sick kids whose sickness needs no inspiration nor a film and of course they would have murdered anyway, you really think Stone movies in their life would have made any difference, you would be way way wrong.
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I liked Stone's film "Platoon" but since that film his output has been all over the map with "Natural Born Killers" being perhaps his worst film. No study could possibly indicate that that film didn't inspire people to commit murders who otherwise wouldn't have done so. There is no way to know that for sure but what we do know is that films can make violent murders look like something that benefits the killers in some way. That's one of things that "Natural Born Killers" appears to have done. It also provides a phony excuse for the violence to some extent.

Do you believe that the whole field of advertising is a waste of time and money and that advertising products never gets people to buy anything who otherwise wouldn't buy it? If not then you have no good reason to believe that a film like "Natural Born Killer's" can't influence someone to commit a murder who otherwise would not do so. When murderers claim they like that film and that they were going NBK that's a very bad sign. It's also a bad sign when they commit crimes like the ones depicted in the film.

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"Natural Born Killers" is 25 y.o., time has vastly moved on and "no study could possibly indicate," no one is paying attention to movies that you do that are ancient. "Murderers claim they like films" and who else? Like Tarantino, King, or a bit of "fava beans?" More of the outdated..............
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Tarantino was supposed to have written the original story which formed the basis for "Natural Born Killers" which Stone modified for his film. One of the things that was wrong with the film is that it promotes the liberal myth that violent criminals have a kind of excuse for their stupid behavior based on having a bad childhood during which they were abused. The reality is actually something quite different as I've pointed out before.

The problem with that liberal mythology is that every dumbass Prima Donna who buys it who also thinks he was mistreated in some way will then have a tendency to believe violence on his part is justified. On top of that bullshit is the additional myth about people losing control of themselves and snapping when they have been pushed too far by adverse circumstances.

This society is very good at creating violent criminals through the influence of both the entertainment and news media working together quite efficiently to help generate them.
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In your mind it promotes some type of liberal agenda. I don't consider films that portray gross abuse as mythology nor do I identify those who have suffered gross abuses as just having "a bad childhood." My question would be what do you consider a bad childhood?
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Lets assume for a moment that murderous films DO promote the commision of murder?

then why did decades of cowboy films not result in the mass murder of native Americans?

why have all the superhero films not resulted in the growth in numbers of people leaping off tall buildings?

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In your mind it promotes some type of liberal agenda. I don't consider films that portray gross abuse as mythology nor do I identify those who have suffered gross abuses as just having "a bad childhood." My question would be what do you consider a bad childhood?



A childhood full of physical and/or mental abuse is a bad childhood. Which gender suffers those kinds of childhoods the most? It isn't males.

If an abusive childhood was what generated violent criminals who liked to prey on the innocent most criminals of that kind would be women.
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Lets assume for a moment that murderous films DO promote the commision of murder?

then why did decades of cowboy films not result in the mass murder of native Americans?

why have all the superhero films not resulted in the growth in numbers of people leaping off tall buildings?



Cowboy films featuring John Wayne beating up guys who insulted him probably did result in lots of men believing they should be a man and fight someone who makes fun of them. Think of films as teaching tools. They teach people all sorts of concepts of right and wrong and they promote various behaviours by making those actions appear appealing or useful in some way.

They can even influence people to take up certain occupations. Some people have become pilots or doctors based on films or TV shows featuring those kinds of characters. I recall one girl on a talk show saying she wanted to become a stripper after seeing the film, "Gypsy."

The notion that films are just entertainment and never influence people to do anything is one of the most ridiculous liberal myths.
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In your mind it promotes some type of liberal agenda. I don't consider films that portray gross abuse as mythology nor do I identify those who have suffered gross abuses as just having "a bad childhood." My question would be what do you consider a bad childhood?



A childhood full of physical and/or mental abuse is a bad childhood. Which gender suffers those kinds of childhoods the most? It isn't males.

If an abusive childhood was what generated violent criminals who liked to prey on the innocent most criminals of that kind would be women.



From what I have read and it was a few years ago, 50% of abusers/murderers/rapists were not themselves abused. Your statement really reads men are "worse," yeah, I know. Men aren't generally labled as nurturers, carers either, women are.
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