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Film and networks put on what can make them money. I don't watch crime dramas, they bore me. What I have seen, is the criminals either get caught or die.
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Film and networks put on what can make them money. I don't watch crime dramas, they bore me. What I have seen, is the criminals either get caught or die.



I seldom watch modern crime dramas like the NCIS shows. I agree that they are dull. But I do occasionally watch vintage ones where the writing was a little better.

And making money doesn't require film makers or TV show writers to promote criminal behaviour in the form of needless and irrational violence. Making that kind of violence look appealing or justified is not required for financial reasons.
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Philler, why are the money grubbing actions, the tinsel of Holllly-wood, so very important to you ?

You do realize that it, TV and movies, are not real and tailored to make money by appealing, to the base tastes of people like you ? To get some kind, any kind, of emotional response and then exploit it for money.

Your negative posts about all the tinsel is fine with the Hollywood cabal. You are supporting all that they do, because they know that there is such thing as bad press, that all mentions are the very exposure that they need to seem to be relevant to the suckers, the fans, one of whom is born every minute, when in fact they are not. They are, at best, just cynical money grubbing showmen.

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Film and networks put on what can make them money. I don't watch crime dramas, they bore me. What I have seen, is the criminals either get caught or die.



I seldom watch modern crime dramas like the NCIS shows. I agree that they are dull. But I do occasionally watch vintage ones where the writing was a little better.

And making money doesn't require film makers or TV show writers to promote criminal behaviour in the form of needless and irrational violence. Making that kind of violence look appealing or justified is not required for financial reasons.



Look appealing, that is weird, I don't think that is the motive, and ask persons across the country, why they watch, then ask why 54% still support the death penalty, the second, yeah they are looking for justice or as some say and think, revenge, that is why these true crime dramas are all over the television, I don't watch them either, my sister does and I think it makes her feel good when the murderer is done in.
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Philler, why are the money grubbing actions, the tinsel of Holllly-wood, so very important to you ?

You do realize that it, TV and movies, are not real and tailored to make money by appealing, to the base tastes of people like you ? To get some kind, any kind, of emotional response and then exploit it for money.

Your negative posts about all the tinsel is fine with the Hollywood cabal. You are supporting all that they do, because they know that there is such thing as bad press, that all mentions are the very exposure that they need to seem to be relevant to the suckers, the fans, one of whom is born every minute, when in fact they are not. They are, at best, just cynical money grubbing showmen.

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My promotion of the film industry is negligible and I've probably done more to promote it by recommending films that I've liked to friends.

What I find interesting is the question of what responsibility film makers have, if any, to not promote violent crimes. At one time in the past that was a big concern. Now we see what amounts to a polar opposite attitude that films either can't promote violence or it's simply not something to be concerned about because film makers aren't at all responsible for what copycats do.

Gun manufacturers and sellers aren't responsible for what violent criminals do with guns either but that doesn't mean they can't contribute to the problem in some ways.
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Film and networks put on what can make them money. I don't watch crime dramas, they bore me. What I have seen, is the criminals either get caught or die.



I seldom watch modern crime dramas like the NCIS shows. I agree that they are dull. But I do occasionally watch vintage ones where the writing was a little better.

And making money doesn't require film makers or TV show writers to promote criminal behaviour in the form of needless and irrational violence. Making that kind of violence look appealing or justified is not required for financial reasons.



Look appealing, that is weird, I don't think that is the motive, and ask persons across the country, why they watch, then ask why 54% still support the death penalty, the second, yeah they are looking for justice or as some say and think, revenge, that is why these true crime dramas are all over the television, I don't watch them either, my sister does and I think it makes her feel good when the murderer is done in.



"Natural Born Killers" made irrational violence look appealing to some people who ended up imitating what they saw. If it wasn't appealing to them why did they imitate the violence?

I agree that the true crime shows where the bad guys get caught and are dealt with as they should be are fun to watch, at least for some people. They appeal to people who are interested in justice. I'm not a fan of the ones which involve unsolved mysteries.

But they are very different from fictional films depicting murderers getting away with their crimes like the films "Halloween" and "Natural Born Killers." A different kind of animal likes that kind of crap.
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As long as film makers obey the laws they have a very wide berth, freedom of speech. One each person does with that freedom is another matter. I would take a movie recommendation from you, my favorite genre is older movies and I love 40's/50 film noir my fav, "Out of the Past" I watch it every time it's on or some Humphrey Bogart, Hepburn, Irene Dunne, Cary Grant film....then there are the Wes Craven films, Nightmare etc. he has a huge cult following and I don't think you'll find a whole lot of violent criminals in their group More current, Tarantino, Scorsese, or we can go to Rambo or the Terminator movies. Can I say not one criminal has gotten an idea off a film, of course not. The first major school shooting in this country was 1998 many violent, horror, slasher films were made long before that. I hate a date in 1969 who took me to the drive movies where both films were not cheesy horror movies but gore movies. I have yet to forget it, over 50 years ago, nightmares for quite awhile. If media is to blame for violence, I would say it's the web, not tv or movies.
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There was a good film noir from 1953 on TCM today, "The Hitchhiker" directed by Ida Lupino. It was based on the real life case of Billy Cook, a mass murderer who was executed in San Quentin's gas chamber. She reportedly wanted to explore the self-absorbed narcissism of some men(sound familiar?) that leads to them acting like savages toward other men and did a pretty good of doing that.

If you were making a film wouldn't you be concerned about what messages you would be getting out there? I'm not calling for government censorship as much as simply wanting to explore the responsibility of film makers not to promote violent crime.
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"She reportedly wanted to explore the self-absorbed narcissism of some men(sound familiar?)"

For me personally, no. Does it ring with you ? Why, besides it being exactly the sort of Hollywood trope that you claim you do not promote ?
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It's something I've discussed quite a bit, the "Prima Donna" personality of a lot of violent criminals. I found it interesting that actress and director Ida Lupino back in 1953 apparently knew more about violent criminals than many people do today. In her film no phony excuse is given for the guy going on a shooting rampage or taking people hostage.
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