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Why was this woman charged with attempted murder?


While she did something that when unjustified qualifies as an attempt to commit murder, based on other apparent facts in the case it sounds like she acted in self-defense. If it wasn't self-defense why was her boyfriend charged with assault? How can it make sense to charge both of them with a crime?

Certainly if he initially grabbed her and fought with her it makes sense to believe she acted in self-defense. Was she supposed to just let him toss her around the room for awhile? Since he is a football player it's highly unlikely she was his physical match. A knife was her way to equalize the situation.

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In a news release announcing the charges, police described Briston and Pryor as "mutual combatants in this incident."



Interesting. Someone grabs you, assaults you and when you defend yourself that is just mutual combat? Not when the police do it. Then it becomes self-defense.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/11/30/terrelle-pryor-stabbing-ex-ohio-state-qb-nfl-injured-reports/4339484002/


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Certainly if he initially grabbed her and fought with her it makes sense to believe she acted in self-defense.




two witness - one doesnt know what happened (I wonder whose friend they are?**) the other says Pryor grabbed Briston and tussled with her from the hallway into the kitchen


In most civilized countries being 'tussled' from a room does not entitle you to stab someone.





**it isnt clear if these two are the same as the two "witnesses" but
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one of the witnesses said "the only reason I'm here was to make sure that he didn't die" and "we should have just let him die." A second officer overheard the same witness saying "something to the effect of 'she was just defending herself and had to do it.'"



but if they are it would seem that BOTH witnesses were friends of the woman

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two witness - one doesnt know what happened (I wonder whose friend they are?**) the other says Pryor grabbed Briston and tussled with her from the hallway into the kitchen-mais



Pryor being charged with assault sounds like more than a tussle.


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In most civilized countries being 'tussled' from a room does not entitle you to stab someone.



What about being assaulted by someone?

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sounds like more than a tussle



it might SOUND that way to you but that is the exact word used by the eye witness - maybe you are better informed than they

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What about being assaulted by someone


depends entirely on the nature of the assault, Im sure that US law every state has its own definition of assault and an extra one for federal courts but GENERALLY assault doesnt even require any physical contact so clearly stabbing someone in response to a minimal assault is an over reaction.

BTW tussling someone out of a room IS an assault

Our courts (in UK) have this bizarre notion of "reasonableness" if some one assaults you in a minimal way (which may not involve physical contact remember) then a court would likely not hold it to be reasonable to stab them - American courts (all 51 of them) probably have other ideas

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it might SOUND that way to you but that is the exact word used by the eye witness - maybe you are better informed than they-mais



As I pointed out it sounds like more than a "tussle" because Pryor was charged with assault.

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depends entirely on the nature of the assault, Im sure that US law every state has its own definition of assault and an extra one for federal courts but GENERALLY assault doesnt even require any physical contact so clearly stabbing someone in response to a minimal assault is an over reaction.



We have very limited knowledge about what exactly happened but my questions about the charge of attempted murder being applied to the female is based on Pryor being charged with assault and the assumption that he is the stronger of the two people involved in the incident who were charged with crimes. There is no indication from what I read that she stabbed him first and then he assaulted her in response to being stabbed.

I just saw a video today on the TV news of a cop slamming a man's head into a concrete curb after the man spit on him. The guy could have been seriously injured or killed. The police are defending that action or attempting to do so. If Pryor had assaulted or "tussled" with a cop like he did her and the cop had shot him I doubt that the cop would be charged with attempted murder. More likely they would be saying he was just following police procedure.
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Lets see 4 am, drunk, both rowing, him smacked around, her stabbed. That Philer is not a "tussle." He smacked her, she upped the anti with a knife, you up the anti, even as a woman you will be the one to pay. It's the saying don't bring a knife to a gun fight. Although I am a big fan of Judge Judy, who says your in a drunken row, you get what you deserve and one will come out a winner and one a loser but in her eyes, doesn't matter, you both are outta here. She had a slight black eye, he almost died, What there was is no indication of who did what. Women aren't always the righteous ones, you have more excuses for women than Carter has pills and yet in this case you admit you don't know what happened but yet so eager to take her side as she isn't as "strong."
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it's the protocol to charges both when they are drunk.
The girlfriend smirked in her arrest photo so that might give you a clue as to how she was acting and why she was arrested. Neighbors say they were in a turbulent relationship where they both egged each other on. Regardless, she should get a good lawyer and plead down. His career probably over.
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Is Philler making these arguments as a way to legitimize Trump's contention that he is not guilty of a crime, a shake down, because he was caught, his intentions were exposed, before it worked ?
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Lets see 4 am, drunk, both rowing, him smacked around, her stabbed. That Philer is not a "tussle." He smacked her, she upped the anti with a knife, you up the anti, even as a woman you will be the one to pay. -katie



So women don't have a right to defend themselves from a stronger opponent? There are plenty of cases where police officers have shot and killed unarmed opponents and those officers were not even charged with a crime.

I also know of a case where a white man stabbed and killed an unarmed guy in a fight and the man with the knife was not charged with murder.

Apparently it is women who have to worry that their right to self-defense is not being taken seriously. That said, I still believe that women should defend themselves from attackers. Even if it means they will go to prison for it.

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Women aren't always the righteous ones, you have more excuses for women than Carter has pills and yet in this case you admit you don't know what happened but yet so eager to take her side as she isn't as "strong."



It's not about making excuses. It's about women having the same right to defend themselves from assault that men have. If the evidence shows that this woman did not defend herself from an attacker and simply stabbed the guy provoking his assault on her then I would have no problem with her being charged with attempted murder.
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So women don't have a right to defend themselves from a stronger opponent?



and you think that is what happened here?


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There are plenty of cases where police officers have shot and killed unarmed opponents and those officers were not even charged with a crime.



try to stick with the one topic please


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I also know of a case where a white man stabbed and killed an unarmed guy in a fight and the man with the knife was not charged with murder.




try to stick with the one topic please


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Apparently it is women who have to worry that their right to self-defense is not being taken seriously.
Ah good back on topic.



where do you get the notion that she was defending herself? you certainly dont get it from the eye witness accounts so from where?



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I would have no problem with her being charged with attempted murder.



well that would be a first!

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