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Why do you think violent crime is massively more prevalent in America than it is in any other nation?



Violent crime is largely the product of the Prima Donna mentality which is generated by doting parents who manage to teach their kids, particularly males, to focus on themselves and what they want with little to no concern about other people. America has far too many males with a sense of privilege and entitlement over others.

There are other factors as well. The John Wayne syndrome is a big one. Males are conditioned to turn to violence in the face of insults or disrespect.

Another big one is the mythology about people snapping when they get angry. Whenever men believe that nonsense they have a much greater tendency to become violent whenever they get angry.

Mixed up priorities are another factor. The "war on drugs" is one of the biggest ones of those where innocent people are harassed by the police just for their choice of recreational drug. And of course it generates a massive black market in illegal drugs and turf wars to protect your spot in that market.

And of course guns play a role also. In the wrong hands they easily contribute to the level of violent crime. But obviously women carrying guns for self-defense is not the problem.
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Sure, being a third world nation doesn't help but bristling with firearms makes it many times worse.



No, the bristling with firearms is the only redeeming aspect that prevents total world domination and dominion by the greedy, corrupt, powerful and wealthy.

You still don't get it.
Not only did the invention of firearm slowly allow democracies to erode the monarchies of the 1500s, but they still are what is holding them back.
You seem them constantly trying to turn back the clock and return us to a feudal monarchy, like in how they invaded Iraq for its oil, murdering half a million innocent people.
Bristling with firearms is all that stops them from succeeding.
You think that since New Zealand is safe, that all countries could be. But that is foolish because they just are not interested in New Zealand, You don't have oil they want like Iraq, or soldiers they want, like the US.

Think about what stopped the Romans.
It was mostly luck that a combination of malaria and various invading hordes like the Huns, Vandals, Mongols, Moslems, etc. stopped them. It was not the Europeans. The Celts, Druids, etc., were virtually wiped out.
The US is just as capitalist and ruthless as the Romans, and have the same advantage in technology. The result would be very similar, if not for an armed population resisting the wealthy elite.
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Why do you think violent crime is massively more prevalent in America than it is in any other nation?



Violent crime is largely the product of the Prima Donna mentality which is generated by doting parents who manage to teach their kids, particularly males, to focus on themselves and what they want with little to no concern about other people. America has far too many males with a sense of privilege and entitlement over others.

There are other factors as well. The John Wayne syndrome is a big one. Males are conditioned to turn to violence in the face of insults or disrespect.

Another big one is the mythology about people snapping when they get angry. Whenever men believe that nonsense they have a much greater tendency to become violent whenever they get angry.

Mixed up priorities are another factor. The "war on drugs" is one of the biggest ones of those where innocent people are harassed by the police just for their choice of recreational drug. And of course it generates a massive black market in illegal drugs and turf wars to protect your spot in that market.

And of course guns play a role also. In the wrong hands they easily contribute to the level of violent crime. But obviously women carrying guns for self-defense is not the problem.



The war on drugs is not just a mixed up mistake, but deliberate. It is an attempt to enforce a lock step mentality based on materialism, religion, fear, intimidation, etc.

  The "Prima Donna mentality" may well be one of the few things that helps individual resist the total control of society into a massive military machine the way Hitler was able to turn Germany into during the 1930s.

You constantly worry about the corrupt individuals, but what about the organized and deliberate corruption by a whole class of wealthy elite, who intend to massacre millions when it leads to wealth and power for them?

The Prima Donnas are not making it up, there really are threats and things be afraid of and angry at. There is massive inequity, injustice, wholesale corruption, etc.
You saw it so have to know it exists. It was not just some few mistakes that caused us to massacre hundreds of thousands of innocents in Iraq. It was oil profits, and we deliberately committed war crimes by targeting civilian infrastructure in a desert climate.
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Having such an ignorant public helped the crooks invade Iraq.
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Having such an ignorant public helped the crooks invade Iraq.



Since the crooks control the media, there is not much we can do about that. But every kid studies the Founders and has the ability to see that it is armed citizen soldiers that prevent total take over by a dictatorship.
The wealthy elite have been pushing gun control ever since the Civil War, but we can't let them win. They keeps trying to list the dozens killed in school shootings each year, in order to justify their attempt to murder or imprison millions. We can't let them win.
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It is an untruth that persons who want gun laws want to completely disarm Americans. I perceive it as a conspiracy theory by the right. No offense to them but I'm pretty sick of hearing, "founding fathers," to hold back progression of doing the right thing. They've been dead a very long time and we are alive and have a responsibility we are not meeting.
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To add, "every kid studies the founders." So? We have experts in Constitutional law who disagree, we had to have a SC to interpret the Constitution and they don't often agree, so what are your expectations of lay persons who interpret the Constitution differently from each other? After it is all said and done whether it is citizens or the SC, it's an opinion as dead people can't be questioned and that includes all the writing they left on any subject, it is why judges often don't allow written evidence by a person who is not in court, you cannot question a piece of paper.
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Think about what stopped the Romans.
It was mostly luck that a combination of malaria and various invading hordes like the Huns, Vandals, Mongols, Moslems, etc. stopped them. It was not the Europeans. The Celts, Druids, etc., were virtually wiped out.



the western Roman Empire was pretty much finished by 475AD

this was over 100 years before the birth of Mohammad (~602)so there can have been no interaction between Romans and Muslims

The Vandals and Huns were Germanic tribes so in no way could be thought of as "invaders"

The Mongol invasion of Europe was in the 13th century over 600 years after the Roman Empire had ceased to be.



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It is an untruth that persons who want gun laws want to completely disarm Americans. I perceive it as a conspiracy theory by the right. No offense to them but I'm pretty sick of hearing, "founding fathers," to hold back progression of doing the right thing. They've been dead a very long time and we are alive and have a responsibility we are not meeting.



It is pretty easy to prove you are wrong, and those pushing gun control want to totally destroy personal freedom. And example was the political struggle over being able to sue gun makers for school shootings. Clearly that would be illegal because the gun makers have no control at all over an individual abuse of the intended and legal use of firearms, but the result would be for there to no longer be any private gun makers selling to the public. They would all be out of business. Another example is the assault weapons ban frequently suggested, which would have criminalized about 80% of the firearms now being sold, and would make over 30 million people into criminals. Another is the red flag laws which allow police to confiscate weapons without trial, day in court, or any rational or legal basis. In fact, breaking down doors and confiscating weapons is guaranteed to create violence, not reduce it.
Historically gun control has always been by the right wing elite, to disarm the poor, immigrants, Blacks, union organizers, etc., so they can more easily be murdered. Why any so called democrat would ever support such a ludicrous program, is beyond me.
Clearly the way to reduce violence is more defensive arms, so that people can defend themselves. Not only can police NEVER defend anyone because they are too late, but also because they are too corrupt. The police are the last ones who we should allow to be armed, and they are a far bigger source of murders than school shootings.
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To add, "every kid studies the founders." So? We have experts in Constitutional law who disagree, we had to have a SC to interpret the Constitution and they don't often agree, so what are your expectations of lay persons who interpret the Constitution differently from each other? After it is all said and done whether it is citizens or the SC, it's an opinion as dead people can't be questioned and that includes all the writing they left on any subject, it is why judges often don't allow written evidence by a person who is not in court, you cannot question a piece of paper.



There can be no argument about this, because it has to be obvious that not only does government always become more corrupt, but that corrupt government historically has always been the single biggest problem of all societies in history. So then trying to just arm the government police and military, and restricting weapons to everyone else, is guaranteed suicide.

We are not talking about anything complex or abstract.
The ideal of citizen soldiers is obviously the only way a democracy can be obtained or maintained.
Once you create a mercenary, armed, elite, with a monopoly in weapons, you no longer could possibly have a democracy. The contradiction is far too great.
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