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The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’s


The Forerunner of Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan: Joe Biden’s

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Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. meeting American troops at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan in January 2011.



A few thousand American troops to train the Afghan Army. A single-minded focus on counterterrorism, with C.I.A. drones and Special Operations units hunting down terrorists. A healthy skepticism of Pakistan as an abettor of Islamic extremism. And an explicit repudiation of grand plans to nurture a Jeffersonian democracy in Central Asia.

These are the hallmarks of the Afghanistan strategy President Trump set out on Monday night. They are also the hallmarks of the strategy former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. tried unsuccessfully to sell to President Barack Obama in the fall of 2009.

The parallels between Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Biden’s plans provided a sense of irony — even comfort — for the Washington foreign policy establishment, which has felt deeply alienated during this presidency, watching Mr. Trump’s unorthodox statecraft with a mix of horror and dismay.

But the similarities are more than a historical footnote: Mr. Biden has talked about running for president in 2020, and he would start off as a front-runner in a splintered Democratic field. If Mr. Biden were to run, he would no doubt make his foreign policy credentials, and Mr. Trump’s haphazard debut on the global stage, a major theme of his campaign.

Now that Mr. Trump has embraced Mr. Biden’s plan for Afghanistan, he has blurred a line between him and Mr. Obama’s No. 2, as well as with the foreign policy establishment Mr. Trump ran against in 2016.

“I had a strong sense of déjà vu listening to Trump’s speech,” said Brian Katulis, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. “It’s almost as if our national security institutions and foreign policy elite are only capable of recycling different versions of some of the same ideas discussed for more than a decade and a half on Afghanistan.”

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No, we never should have been in Afghanistan, Obama promised to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan both, and did neither.
We had no right to ever attack our old allies, the Taliban, and whomever was responsible should be punished. Remember, we created the whole Mujaheddin in 1979. And the Taliban offered to arrest bin Laden for us, before 9/11.
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" we never should have been in Afghanistan "

But are.
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" we never should have been in Afghanistan "

But are.



But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not.
Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive.
Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.
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Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.



Why? So he can facilitate his BFF Putin's payoff money for the bounty he put on killing US servicemen?

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quote:

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" we never should have been in Afghanistan "

But are.



But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not.
Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive.
Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.



Biden was not the president, as he said in private him and Obama disagreed and what those disagreements were, we are not privy and Biden said, Obama listened and made up is his mind the buck stops with the president he makes the final decision. I thought it would work out for awhile, the Taliban promising to stop terrorism and become part to the Afghanistan govt like Sein Fein and N,Ireland but they broke their promise and are still terrorists. That Trump invited them to Camp David was not a positive under any circumstances if he read the intelligence reports to what I got online a long time ago.
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quote:

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Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.



Why? So he can facilitate his BFF Putin's payoff money for the bounty he put on killing US servicemen?



The US troops should not have been IN Afghanistan, and they deserve a bounty for first killing innocent Soviet soldiers and then killing innocent Taliban soldiers and civilians.
All the US soldiers in Afghanistan should be prosecuted.
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quote:

Rigby5 wrote:

quote:

Geezess wrote:

" we never should have been in Afghanistan "

But are.



But you can't give credit to Biden for planning to get out of Afghanistan when he easily could have and did not.
Afghanistan is a negative to Biden, not a positive.
Trump on the other hand was suggesting the Taliban come to Camp David, which is a positive, so Trump leads on Afghanistan.



Biden was not the president, as he said in private him and Obama disagreed and what those disagreements were, we are not privy and Biden said, Obama listened and made up is his mind the buck stops with the president he makes the final decision. I thought it would work out for awhile, the Taliban promising to stop terrorism and become part to the Afghanistan govt like Sein Fein and N,Ireland but they broke their promise and are still terrorists. That Trump invited them to Camp David was not a positive under any circumstances if he read the intelligence reports to what I got online a long time ago.



That is just wrong.
The Taliban were NEVER terrorists.
The ONLY terrorists were the US.
The US soldiers there are in violation of the law and are always killing civilians.
The Taliban are the only legitimate government in Afghanistan, have popular support, and have always only killed soldiers.
Sorry, but the US position is totally without merit regardless of what fake intelligence reports they may manufacture.
The only body with any popular support is the Taliban.

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I was against the invasion of Iraq, 100% but the Taliban are terrorists. If they weren't they wouldn't have murdered or displaced so many of their own countrymen, women, old men, kids, they didn't give a !@#$, they called them martyrs, which is a load of bollocks.
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I was against the invasion of Iraq, 100% but the Taliban are terrorists. If they weren't they wouldn't have murdered or displaced so many of their own countrymen, women, old men, kids, they didn't give a !@#$, they called them martyrs, which is a load of bollocks.



No, the problem is the US is bribing people into being traitors who deserve to die.
The Taliban is incredibly popular.
Afghanistan will NEVER accept foreign domination, and the US presence increased the popularity of the Taliban incredibly.
The idea the US presence could ever be accepted there is insane.
And anyone stationed there should be just shot immediately.
Even if their intent is benign, such ignorance should not be tolerated.

{...
The First Anglo-Afghan War (Pashto: د افغان-انگرېز لومړۍ جگړه‎, also known by the British as the Disaster in Afghanistan)[3] was fought between the British East India Company and the Emirate of Afghanistan from 1839 to 1842. Initially, the British successfully intervened in a succession dispute between emir Dost Mohammad (Barakzai) and former emir Shah Shujah (Durrani), whom they installed upon conquering Kabul in August 1839. The main British Indian and Sikh force occupying Kabul along with their camp followers, having endured harsh winters as well, was almost completely annihilated while retreating in January 1842.[1][2] The British then sent an Army of Retribution to Kabul to avenge their defeat, and having demolished parts of the capital and recovered prisoners they left Afghanistan altogether by the end of the year. Dost Mohamed returned from exile in India to resume his rule.

It was one of the first major conflicts during the Great Game, the 19th century competition for power and influence in Central Asia between Britain and Russia.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War
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