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You actually think the only reason masks are worn in surgery because of "open wounds?" That would be so wrong. Did you make that up or what? Young and healthy wear a mask not to infect others. It amazes me, they let persons out of prison but want to send kids to school.



Surgical masks do not filter and are not intended to fit tight, so they can't be any more than a spit shield.

If you isolate the vulnerable as we should, then there is no one for the healthy to infect.

Masks are foolish because their only point is so we can mix the healthy, vulnerable, and infected all together. That is a horrific plan.

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I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour!
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I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour!



Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish.
I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity.
It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn.
And of course hospitals.

As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life.
I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits.
The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule.
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OTTH, just heard that idiot Texas Rep. Gohmert has come down with C-19 and will not be flying back to Texas with Trump tonight for fund raiser! He has it in his mind, the mask may have had something to do with it; maybe holding germs on the material so close to his face! What an idiot! He may have exposed AG Barr yesterday after the hearing! Gohmert is still walking around without a mask only giving lip service to actually wearing one! emoticon

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I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour!



Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish.
I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity.
It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn.
And of course hospitals.

As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life.
I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits.
The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule.



If something can be prevented, it isn't "life" it isn't "life when they pass it to others in the communiity, that is not the case for meningitis then or now. We have a kid or two get it every year at OSU or U of O, plus there is a vaccine..........that you present all viruses in the same category is not only absurd but a serious lack of knowledge.
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I am aware what surgical masks filter, they do however make a difference, that is the point, so does hand washing and social distancing. It is not 100% but enough to prevent disease and save thousands of lives. Something like 500k patients come out of a hospital with a communicable disease they did not go in with, it is impossible to keep a 100% sterile field and less so for us. That however does not mean it doesn't make a huge difference. If you get in a certain climate like mine or look on line, your breath still comes out your mask, it just doesn't reach as far and why social distancing is also the key. No one healthy, a 26 y.o. died in my state today and many underlying conditions that are not that serious with covid are very serious. If masks are "foolish" no one would spent hours on their feet wearing them, it's far worse for 8 hrs than an hour!



Obviously I did not say all masks were foolish.
I was only saying mask between healthy young people in the general population that were foolish, because they should be getting covid19 so that they build up their immunity.
It is mostly between vulnerable and everyone else that masks should be worn.
And of course hospitals.

As for some young and healthy also dying, that is life.
I remember a 15 year old dying from meningitis when I was in high school. Does that mean we should close down all schools, so no one will get meningitis and die? Of course not, because the risk is so small compared to the benefits.
The risks of covid-19 also are minuscule.



If something can be prevented, it isn't "life" it isn't "life when they pass it to others in the communiity, that is not the case for meningitis then or now. We have a kid or two get it every year at OSU or U of O, plus there is a vaccine..........that you present all viruses in the same category is not only absurd but a serious lack of knowledge.



Since no one should be dying from covid-19, then it should be in the rare death category like meningitis. It seems to me it is being deliberately overblown, both in lack of proper treatment, and in hysterical media exaggeration of the risks.

You can not prevent covid-19 with masks and social distancing.
That only delays and slows infection spread. That never ends it, and forces it to last longer.
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If it has nothing to feed on it passes and dies. Doing the right thing as handwashing, masks and social distancing makes a huge difference. Of course it is not 100% but thousands would be alive and in this country and 158,000 dead and rising in this country, is a big deal.
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If it has nothing to feed on it passes and dies. Doing the right thing as handwashing, masks and social distancing makes a huge difference. Of course it is not 100% but thousands would be alive and in this country and 158,000 dead and rising in this country, is a big deal.



No, since we can't actually quarantine anymore, then social distancing and masks do NOTHING.
All they do is delay, but since the end requires herd immunity, they you WILL continue to have infections and deaths until herd immunity is achieved. It does NOT at all matter how much you slow it down, when you have to obtain the exact same number who have acquired immunity through infection.
The end point has to be identical, no matter how long or slow you get there.

The ONLY way you could have saved lives is if you traded some of the vulnerable who died, with healthy who could have survived. And masks and social distancing then should ONLY be the vulnerable. The healthy should be out partying so they achieve herd immunity more quickly, and save lives.
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Untrue or we would have a whole different scenario's on the common cold. The non vulnerable are at risk, you choose to ignore it. Those "partying" are passing it on to those vulnerable and not so much. So I'm vulnerable because of my age yet healthy, lots of life left but thats okay by you? So whats up your'e, choosing eugenics?
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