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Bollocks, obesity is addressed in this country to the point of what was it NY banning soda? Then there was Mischelle Obamas eat healthy program. Putting food in your mouth is a choice, there are diseases that are not a choice. You don't care that 155,000 have died and not from overeating, the difference is not comparable.



The point is that if our choice is to accept 400,000 obesity deaths a year, then it is bizarre to then claim 150,000 deaths a year is such a catastrophe. It not only is a contradiction, but shows we simply do not understand statistics. A death total is not relevant. What only matters is the %. And the % of people dying from covid-19 is tiny. Just 0.039% of the population.



I may just be a little tired, but I'm not getting this! You're only questioning our unequal response to 2 ailments; C-19 & Obesity? Obesity is something self-contained obviously! It isn't infectious for the most part! With C-19 you can be walking along minding your own business and if some person with the virus coughs without a mask, it's a good chance it'll pass on! It's like with the populous wondering why we don't have a problem with hundreds of thousands dying from cancer and alcoholism, but only a handful die from AIDES! You have to worry about the AIDES infections more because it can be spread! A cancer or a drinker is only hurting themselves with cigarettes and alcohol for the most part! I resent 2nd hand smoke, but don't think it'll kill me! I'd much prefer killing the inconsiderate smoker! emoticon



No, if someone walking by coughs without a mask on, it is NOT at all likely you will get infected.
In fact, research has not found a single case of anyone getting infected outside.

The average transmission of those who are infected, is about 2.
So that means Covid-19 is hardly infectious at all.

And infection rates are not at all relevant.
If you only just get a little sick, which is all that happens to 99,99% of those who get infected, then what is the big deal?

The 'common cold' has about 100% probability you are going to get it this winter, but that is no big deal because almost no one dies. Similarly, almost no one dies from Covid-19.



How many have to die for you and Trump to acknowledge "there's a problem?" We should all take advice from you and Dr. Trump for everything since his medical degree is so highly regarded? I wonder how many of you guys injected bleach or Lysol? If schools open under these conditions, get ready to go back into the bunker! This all could have been avoided save the extraordinarily rotten leadership from "the right!" Florida, Arizona, Mississippi, & Georgia are going to suffer the most even though places like California and NY have more cases! They aren't living in denial so that'll make a huge difference after all's said and done! emoticon

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Bollocks, obesity is addressed in this country to the point of what was it NY banning soda? Then there was Mischelle Obamas eat healthy program. Putting food in your mouth is a choice, there are diseases that are not a choice. You don't care that 155,000 have died and not from overeating, the difference is not comparable.



The point is that if our choice is to accept 400,000 obesity deaths a year, then it is bizarre to then claim 150,000 deaths a year is such a catastrophe. It not only is a contradiction, but shows we simply do not understand statistics. A death total is not relevant. What only matters is the %. And the % of people dying from covid-19 is tiny. Just 0.039% of the population.



I may just be a little tired, but I'm not getting this! You're only questioning our unequal response to 2 ailments; C-19 & Obesity? Obesity is something self-contained obviously! It isn't infectious for the most part! With C-19 you can be walking along minding your own business and if some person with the virus coughs without a mask, it's a good chance it'll pass on! It's like with the populous wondering why we don't have a problem with hundreds of thousands dying from cancer and alcoholism, but only a handful die from AIDES! You have to worry about the AIDES infections more because it can be spread! A cancer or a drinker is only hurting themselves with cigarettes and alcohol for the most part! I resent 2nd hand smoke, but don't think it'll kill me! I'd much prefer killing the inconsiderate smoker! emoticon



No, if someone walking by coughs without a mask on, it is NOT at all likely you will get infected.
In fact, research has not found a single case of anyone getting infected outside.

The average transmission of those who are infected, is about 2.
So that means Covid-19 is hardly infectious at all.

And infection rates are not at all relevant.
If you only just get a little sick, which is all that happens to 99,99% of those who get infected, then what is the big deal?

The 'common cold' has about 100% probability you are going to get it this winter, but that is no big deal because almost no one dies. Similarly, almost no one dies from Covid-19.



How many have to die for you and Trump to acknowledge "there's a problem?" We should all take advice from you and Dr. Trump for everything since his medical degree is so highly regarded? I wonder how many of you guys injected bleach or Lysol? If schools open under these conditions, get ready to go back into the bunker! This all could have been avoided save the extraordinarily rotten leadership from "the right!" Florida, Arizona, Mississippi, & Georgia are going to suffer the most even though places like California and NY have more cases! They aren't living in denial so that'll make a huge difference after all's said and done! emoticon



It just plain facts.
With only 150,000 deaths out of 330 million, that is only 0.039%.
That is pretty much insignificant.

Nor is "flattening the curve" doing one bit of good.
The end ONLY comes from achieving herd immunity, so all you do is make the infections take longer, and that just increased the death total, because you can't quarantine the vulnerable that long.
Anyone who claims that "flattening the curve" can end the virus sooner than herd immunity, is just lying.
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You are mistaken in what "flattening the curve" means. The same number of persons have the disease, what it means, say 50 people in the workplace need the toilet, those 50 people make a difference if they all go in a short period of time instead of over the workday. It's been common sense for decades, until now, the fewer people around, the less disease and the quicker it passes. Unless a disease is endemic, it does pass.
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You are mistaken in what "flattening the curve" means. The same number of persons have the disease, what it means, say 50 people in the workplace need the toilet, those 50 people make a difference if they all go in a short period of time instead of over the workday. It's been common sense for decades, until now, the fewer people around, the less disease and the quicker it passes. Unless a disease is endemic, it does pass.



No, a disease only passes when herd immunity is reached.
It can not pass from slowing the infection rate.
You can end a disease through total quarantine, but we are not doing that, so is not relevant.

Overwhelming the facilities is another issue, but also irrelevant because that has never happened in the US. It happened in Italy, but not here. And the best way to avoid overloading the facilities is to speed up infection among the healthy, who don't need an ICU if they get infected. Slowing down the infection rate increases the number of vulnerable who get infected, so overwhelms facilities the most.
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That is to blanket of a statement, it is dependent on the type of virus. "Overwhelming facilities" is hardly irrelevant. It is not just the US or Italy...how about 2nd and 34d world countries? There are viral diseases that masks make little or no difference, that is not true with this disease. I don't want to get sick or die nor do I want to infect someone else who could, to achieve herd immunity!
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That is to blanket of a statement, it is dependent on the type of virus. "Overwhelming facilities" is hardly irrelevant. It is not just the US or Italy...how about 2nd and 34d world countries? There are viral diseases that masks make little or no difference, that is not true with this disease. I don't want to get sick or die nor do I want to infect someone else who could, to achieve herd immunity!



In order to prevent deaths, then you isolate those who are vulnerable, and you use masks for that.
But you do not then force everyone to weak masks between the young and healthy, who could quickly achieve herd immunity with little or not deaths.
That just prolongs the virus and ensure more deaths.
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That is to blanket of a statement, it is dependent on the type of virus. "Overwhelming facilities" is hardly irrelevant. It is not just the US or Italy...how about 2nd and 34d world countries? There are viral diseases that masks make little or no difference, that is not true with this disease. I don't want to get sick or die nor do I want to infect someone else who could, to achieve herd immunity!



In order to prevent deaths, then you isolate those who are vulnerable, and you use masks for that.
But you do not then force everyone to weak masks between the young and healthy, who could quickly achieve herd immunity with little or not deaths.
That just prolongs the virus and ensure more deaths.



I'm so impressed with this country! We just have everyday bumpkins with medical & science degrees like Trump when he suggested flushing the system with bleach or Lysol! I won't even get into the sociopathy concern when it comes to C-19! Spare us please; not to mention the stupid who believe just about anything that's told to them! emoticon

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That is to blanket of a statement, it is dependent on the type of virus. "Overwhelming facilities" is hardly irrelevant. It is not just the US or Italy...how about 2nd and 34d world countries? There are viral diseases that masks make little or no difference, that is not true with this disease. I don't want to get sick or die nor do I want to infect someone else who could, to achieve herd immunity!



In order to prevent deaths, then you isolate those who are vulnerable, and you use masks for that.
But you do not then force everyone to weak masks between the young and healthy, who could quickly achieve herd immunity with little or not deaths.
That just prolongs the virus and ensure more deaths.



I'm so impressed with this country! We just have everyday bumpkins with medical & science degrees like Trump when he suggested flushing the system with bleach or Lysol! I won't even get into the sociopathy concern when it comes to C-19! Spare us please; not to mention the stupid who believe just about anything that's told to them! emoticon



We continually get epidemics like Spanish flu, Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, Swine flu, avian flu, SARS, MERS, etc., but they all are wiped out by herd immunity, and none have ever significantly returned.

What is so disappointing about this country is that this pattern should be obvious. There has never been a new epidemic that we did not already mostly have immunity to and easily acquired enough immunity in order to totally wipe it out. Why everyone now would ignore all that history and instead believe the absurd panic from big-pharma that this one is totally different, is beyond me. Clearly covid-19 is not really new, and we mostly already have inherent immunity to. The only possible excuse for all the panic is it is deliberate, by big-pharma, in order to make more profits. They already are making billions from testing, and they want trillions from vaccines.
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SARS and MERS were not wiped out by herd immunity, SARS had 27 cases in this country and no deaths, MERS 2 patients no deaths. You keep comparing it to the flu which vaccines were developed and how many times to people have to be told this is not the flu!! Covid is not really new, then it wouldn't be called a novel virus, hello! Never been a "new epidemic" try AIDS, which garnered about the same response from people like you as corona virus, a horrid way to be ill or die but then you wouldn't know acknowledge it or apparently don't care either. No time for your lot.
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By the way, flu deaths are most typically not from the flu virus but secondary bacterial infections.
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