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There is absolutely no reason to make a distinction of "domestic" violence. Violence is violence. The only difference is the often reluctance of the victim to have the courts do anything. Often this is prompted by threats (not necessarily uttered) of further violence.

It is a hell of a problem and the only remedy is education and sensible application of the law.
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I have seen the attempts at anger control training in lieu of jail time. Does not generally work on those that will not be managed even by themselves. A co-worker is aggressive, VERY aggressive in all they do everyday. Does not matter driving, working at home working in the plant very aggressive. The anger control in that is the best choice to limit his aggression yet he must agree to the program as well ACCEPT the instruction other than to sit and nod until the lessons are complete.

All too many in jails, in prison that are known Anger Aggressive do just that sit quietly during "Therapy" so they can get a early out then back to real-time and their own normal.

The woman that charged me was charged with assault, the judge looked at me and laughed at her until she began spouting off at him, 20 days in the jug PLUS 1500 dollar fine. I had absolutely no reason to "Run Away", mine is not a attribute to hide from aggression or run from it. She made the imposition I just ended the fight.

As to that ANYONE that feels they need to come at me aggressively had better bring a lunch, ANY ONE.
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Almost everyone is aware of my intolerance of spousal and child abuse. As well as the reasons why I am so intolerant of domestic violence, and those who perpetrate it. Decriminalize domestic violence? Not only no, but HELL NO!! I will fight every way I know, to prevent anything remotely resembling decriminalization. Just as a fifteen year old boy in Trieste who was small for his age (I literally grew six inches in height in six months a year later) stood up to his father and said Damn you, you are not going to hurt my mama again. Papa then proceeded to beat that 15 year old boy to within an inch of his life. This was a pattern that my mother, my siblings and I endured on an almost daily basis. And I came from one of the wealthiest and most influential families in Trieste it combined the Italian old money of my mother's family and my American expat father's entrepreneurial wealth. Domestic violence knows no socio-economic boundaries. It can happen anywhere, and it simply must be controlled by the legal system.

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 Not only no, but HELL NO!!

Hell no indeed, GoHawk.


The article says, "In 2013, more than 9,000 women were reported to have been killed in incidents of domestic violence. "


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it should not be legal to do to your spouse that which it would be illegal to do to a stranger.

That said Russia is a foreign land with foreign customs and practices - it is not for us to try and dictate their ways



Only because we don't have the power to do so. What we could do is set a better example for them but we're not very good at that either.

Even the "honor" killings involving Muslim women in the Middle East and elsewhere are not really all that alien to us. We tolerate very similar violence. We just don't call those acts of violence "honor" killings. Instead we call them "crimes of passion," an equally bogus concept but one with a long tradition of acceptance in this country.
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Violence against a woman or child is pretty much the tool of a man with no self worth.-charley

That's a cultural myth that appeals to people but in reality just the opposite is true. Men who are abusive have a high sense of self worth and care a lot about themselves as well as what they want. They just have trouble caring about the people whom they abuse.

Unfortunately it is some of those victims who have the poor sense of self worth. That's one reason why they often tolerate the abuse instead of striking back against the abuser in some way.
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I can beat the crap out of a stranger. If he doesn't press charges, at what point does the law step in and do so on his behalf.



Here even if the stranger does not 'press charges' the law can and does intervene, if the actual assault is minor it is unlikely to but it can.

But any way my point remains if the woman wont press charges is there any point in the law stepping in as without a complaining witness tehir case in court is severely weakened



There are no complaining witnesses who file charges in illegal drug cases but that doesn't stop this society from arresting, trying and locking up lots of people for non-violent drug crimes. The drug war would have ended long ago if prosecutors had to wait for someone to file a complaint.

It's just a matter of what this society wants to do. If it wanted to prosecute the violent criminals who commit domestic assault it could do so even without the victim filing any complaint or testifying in court. That's just not as high a priority as punishing those "evil" drug folks.
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There is absolutely no reason to make a distinction of "domestic" violence. Violence is violence. Yobbo

I think that about sums up my feelings. But what we must sometimes allow that a "tap" or "slap" is not going to cause World War 111. So common sense when dealing with acts. However for a man (I use the word loosely), to attack a women is an act which should not only be punished but also the Man needs to seek help before being allowed back into the family home.
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There are no complaining witnesses who file charges in illegal drug cases



drug charges are crimes against the person they are crimes against the law (society) the police are the complaining witness.

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That's a cultural myth that appeals to people but in reality just the opposite is true. Men who are abusive have a high sense of self worth and care a lot about themselves as well as what they want. They just have trouble caring about the people whom they abuse.



In this country about 40% of domestic violence is women assaulting men - so is this women with a high sense of self worth and care a lot about themselves as well as what they want?

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There are no complaining witnesses who file charges in illegal drug cases



drug charges are crimes against the person they are crimes against the law (society) the police are the complaining witness.

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That's a cultural myth that appeals to people but in reality just the opposite is true. Men who are abusive have a high sense of self worth and care a lot about themselves as well as what they want. They just have trouble caring about the people whom they abuse.



In this country about 40% of domestic violence is women assaulting men - so is this women with a high sense of self worth and care a lot about themselves as well as what they want?



I know that the police play that role but nonetheless there is no victim in drug cases who complains to the police about a crime taking place or one who serves as a witness in court. The point being that no victim to serve as a testifying witness in domestic violence cases would be needed if this society really wanted to go after the criminals who commit these types of violent crimes.

As for the women who commit domestic assault, of course they are people who care about themselves just like the women who have shot and killed boyfriends who have dumped them. Not all violent prima donna criminals are men, just the majority.

Violent criminals in general are not people running around with no self-esteem. They just have little esteem for other people.
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