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Things like parking ticket are NOT a criminal offense



No a parking ticket isnt a criminal offence BUT not paying it is.


The Justice Department is discouraging state court systems from jailing poor defendants who fail to pay fines or fees...snip...A letter sent Monday by the federal government to state court administrators makes clear that judges should consider alternatives to jail, such as community service, for poor defendants who don't pay their fines. It also says judges must consider whether defendants have the ability to pay, and should not turn to incarceration without first establishing that a missed payment was willful....snip..."The consequences of the criminalization of poverty are not only harmful — they are far-reaching


https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-03-14/justice-dept-states-shouldnt-jail-over-fine-nonpayment



Try not paying taxes or probation fines or child support. ... Some states have a minimum dollar amount for it to be a criminal offense; most seem most seem to be around $500 or so, though there is quite a lot of variability.
http://money.stackexchange.com/questions/60929/can-a-person-end-up-in-prison-for-unpaid-debt-in-the-usa/61330



Sure there are localities that are violating the law and incarcerating over debts illegally.
Corrupt localities are nothing new in the US.
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Sure there are localities that are violating the law and incarcerating over debts illegally



So there are either no lawyers or no lawyers so well versed in the law as you - may I ask where you did your bar exams?

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So there are either no lawyers or no lawyers so well versed in the law as you - may I ask where you did your bar exams?



Lawyers have nothing to do with whether or not there are corrupt judges.

And it is not just judges, but the police who are totally corrupt as well.
Besides illegally jailing people for fines, asset forfeiture is now common, even though it is totally illegal.

{...
Police abuse of civil asset forfeiture laws has shaken our nation’s conscience. Civil forfeiture allows police to seize — and then keep or sell — any property they allege is involved in a crime. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

Forfeiture was originally presented as a way to cripple large-scale criminal enterprises by diverting their resources. But today, aided by deeply flawed federal and state laws, many police departments use forfeiture to benefit their bottom lines, making seizures motivated by profit rather than crime-fighting. For people whose property has been seized through civil asset forfeiture, legally regaining such property is notoriously
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https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police-practices/asset-forfeiture-abuse
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I think that any half way competant lawyer should be able to stop even the most corrupt judge from illegally imprisoning his client.

Arent your judges elected? why do so many people vote for corrupt judges?

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that is a separate issue

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I think that any half way competant lawyer should be able to stop even the most corrupt judge from illegally imprisoning his client.

Arent your judges elected? why do so many people vote for corrupt judges?

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Police abuse of civil asset forfeiture laws



that is a separate issue



About half the judges are elected, but both are equally corrupt because it cost enough to get a legal degree so that automatically the wealthy are over represented.

The problem also comes from the corrupt schools that tend to teach that legality is based upon whatever legislators pass, and that is totally and completely false.
These days, legislators are some of the worst criminals of all.
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cost enough to get a legal degree so that automatically the wealthy are over represented.




I never saw you as a "class warrior"


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The problem also comes from the corrupt schools that tend to teach that legality is based upon whatever legislators pass, and that is totally and completely false.
These days, legislators are some of the worst criminals of all.



so you are not prepared to consider that you might be wrong and all the judges and all the lawyers are right?

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cost enough to get a legal degree so that automatically the wealthy are over represented.




I never saw you as a "class warrior"


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The problem also comes from the corrupt schools that tend to teach that legality is based upon whatever legislators pass, and that is totally and completely false.
These days, legislators are some of the worst criminals of all.



so you are not prepared to consider that you might be wrong and all the judges and all the lawyers are right?




How could you possibly have missed my extreme leftest slant?

What I have written, that inherent individual rights are the only source of authority in a democratic republic, is textbook, and totally incontrovertible.

All judges and lawyers have to admit that when pressed.
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How could you possibly have missed my extreme leftest slant?




because you 'slant' which ever way the wind blows?


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What I have written, that inherent individual rights are the only source of authority in a democratic republic, is textbook, and totally incontrovertible.



here people like you volunteer to represent idiots** in court ("McKenzie friend") am sure with your comprehensive knowlede of law you would be a big hit


** I say idiots because they refuse perfectly good qualified legal representation on the grounds that lawyers are 'corrupt' - they usually get convicted!!

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How could you possibly have missed my extreme leftest slant?




because you 'slant' which ever way the wind blows?


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What I have written, that inherent individual rights are the only source of authority in a democratic republic, is textbook, and totally incontrovertible.



here people like you volunteer to represent idiots** in court ("McKenzie friend") am sure with your comprehensive knowlede of law you would be a big hit


** I say idiots because they refuse perfectly good qualified legal representation on the grounds that lawyers are 'corrupt' - they usually get convicted!!




No, my slant has NEVER changed.
What has happened is that that current people who call themselves leftest don't know anything and therefore have been conned into supporting right wing causes, like gun control.
A leftest fights government instead of giving them absolute control.

Of course if courts are corrupt, then a corrupt lawyer is far more likely to be able to get your desired result.
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No, my slant has NEVER changed.



well Im not going to reread a couple of years of your posts (reading them the first time was often bad enough) but I will bookmark this and remind you every time you post a rightist comment

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A leftest fights government instead of giving them absolute control.



you mean like Russia or China or Cuba or NK?


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Of course if courts are corrupt, then a corrupt lawyer is far more likely to be able to get your desired result.



your courts have elected judges hearing cases from elected prosecuters infront of members of the general public and you STILL claim them to be corrupt!

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