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I think you have that mixed up.

Violence only leads to a violent response. Peaceful protests, as with Gandhi and MLK, are what bring changes.



Sorry, but that is absurdly silly.
Gandhi and MLK not only were killed, but it was other violent organizations that really forced change, just as with the American revolution.
Nonviolence NEVER causes any change at all.
I can just see Poland trying to stop Hitler's advance with nonviolence.



You're mixing situations.

I agree that one country can only stop the invading army of another country with weapons.

But when we talk about situations within a country, that is to say changing policies, laws, freedoms and the like, nonviolence often works.

It isn't "absurd and silly" because it's what actually happened. MLK and his followers, more than anyone else, gained rights for black Americans. If MLK had led an armed, violent revolt, do you really think this would have happened?

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No, it is absurd and silly to claim a violent dictator has to be dealt with any different within or from outside of a country.
Do you think Hitler did not murder people inside Germany before he invaded Poland?

Do you think there were not dozens of Civil Rights activists assassinated, just like MLK Jr.?

How can you possibly say arms are not essential for change, when MLK Jr. clearly was assassinated.
And that was when he had a dozen armed guards.
Imagine if he were totally unarmed and undefended.
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How can you possibly say arms are not essential for change, when MLK Jr. clearly was assassinated.



Well, you're actually proving my point, since it was an armed citizen that killed MLK.

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How can you possibly say arms are not essential for change, when MLK Jr. clearly was assassinated.



Well, you're actually proving my point, since it was an armed citizen that killed MLK.




No, because gun control only prevents honest people from being armed. Since Ruby was a convicted felon, it was illegal for him to have a firearm anyway. So it shows the stupidity of trying to decease crime by more gun control legislation.
It can't possibly decrease violence because the criminals have always ignored the gun laws in the past.
And it most certainly will increase violence because then the honest people will be disarmed and unable to defend themselves or anyone else.
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I'll assume you meant Ray (James Earl) not Ruby.

Ray purchased the firearm he used to kill MLK.

What it proves is at that time (March of 1968) and in that place (Birmingham, Alabama) a convicted criminal was able to buy a firearm from a legal gunseller (Aeromarine Supply Co.).


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I'll assume you meant Ray (James Earl) not Ruby.

Ray purchased the firearm he used to kill MLK.

What it proves is at that time (March of 1968) and in that place (Birmingham, Alabama) a convicted criminal was able to buy a firearm from a legal gunseller (Aeromarine Supply Co.).




Yes, James Earl Ray.
Thanks for the reminder.

But Ray was already a convicted felon, many times over.
In fact, he was a prison escapee at the time.
He simply used a false alias, something easy to do.

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His first conviction for criminal activity, a burglary in California, came in 1949. In 1952 he served two years for the armed robbery of a taxi driver in Illinois. In 1955, he was convicted of mail fraud after stealing money orders in Hannibal, Missouri, and then forging them to take a trip to Florida. He served four years at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary. In 1959 he was caught stealing $120 in an armed robbery of a St. Louis Kroger store.[5] Ray was sentenced to twenty years in prison for repeated offenses. He escaped from the Missouri State Penitentiary in 1967 by hiding in a truck transporting bread from the prison bakery.
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Ray was soon on the road again, and drove his Mustang to Birmingham, Alabama. There, on March 30, 1968, he bought a Remington Model 760 Gamemaster .30-06-caliber rifle and a box of 20 cartridges from the Aeromarine Supply Company. He also bought a Redfield 2x-7x scope, which he had mounted to the rifle.[17] He told the store clerks that he was going on a hunting trip with his brother. Ray had continued using the Galt alias after his stint in Mexico, but when he made this purchase, he gave his name as Harvey Lowmeyer.
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But does anyone think you can legislate danger from society these days?

I have nail guns that are easily deadly over 50'. I have air and electric impact hammers that could throw a 1 pound chisel over 50'.
I have bows and arrows, cross bows, spearguns, etc., that are totally and completely unregulated.
And anyone can easily make anything that can draw blood to be deadly, just by coating it with ricin.
It is insane to think anyone can or should try to legislate a nerf world that is not dangerous.
And in fact, trying to do so would be the most dangerous thing anyone ever tried to do, since it would require the most draconian dictatorship imaginable.
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But does anyone think you can legislate danger from society these days?

Obviously we cannot eliminate dangers, murders and such.

But how can the U.S. not be doing something wrong?


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I am an anarchist, but only in the theoretical sense, due to the fact Anarchism is an idealistic state.

Anarchism assumes that if all people had reasonable access to the means of employment and natural resources, that they would no longer have any incentive to act in selfish or greedy ways.
That inherent social instincts like empathy would then be the over riding personal motivations.



I've referred to you as an anarchist before. Seems I was correct.

In my opinion, a very ignorant view of the human societies.




Not at all.
Anarchism is an idealistic view of human societies.

The belief is that if all corruption, coercion, and extortion is relieved, that people will then treat each other fairly decently.

You can't say it is ignorant because you can't say what people would behave like if not all screwed up.
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The belief is that if all corruption, coercion, and extortion is relieved, that people will then treat each other fairly decently.

That's why I call it ignorant. How do you eliminate all corruption, coercion, and extortion?



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But does anyone think you can legislate danger from society these days?

Obviously we cannot eliminate dangers, murders and such.

But how can the U.S. not be doing something wrong?


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Of COURSE the US is doing LOTS of things wrong.
It is the ULTIMATE capitalist state in the world.
It is the most greedy, aggressive, material, competitive, insane, corrupt, vicious, oppressive, etc.

You think these other countries don't have the means of committing murder as well as the people in the US do?
Of course they do.
They just are not as crazy as we are in actually wanting to kill other people.

How can you possibly believe it has to do with gun laws?

Compare the US with Russia.
Russia has far stricter gun laws, with no 2nd Amendment, and it is illegal to own firearms without a permit by the government, which is not often given.
Yet their murder rate is 9.5, about twice our murder rate.
Clearly, making our gun laws as restrictive as Russia's would likely only increase the murder rate.
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Compare the US with Russia.




why do you - like so many Americans - insist on comparing your country with the worst rather than the best?

politically, socially, economically, culturally, Russia is nothing like the US so why compare them - except to show the US in a favourable light?

Why not compare the US with a European country or NZ or Australia which it is much closer to to politically, socially, culturally and economically?........yes thats right because if you do it will come bottom of the heap!

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