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And those responses are listed with "Slavery" a maybe third place. Unfair business practice exemptions for northern companies with the associated tax/tariff blistering's on southern exports while the disallowance of state sovereignty as to written laws were primaries.



That's just plain wrong.

If it wasn't about slavery, why do they consistently refer to "slave-holding States" and "non-slave-holding States"?

Why did they write about things like "the servitude of the African to the white race" and "prohibition of slavery to all of the territory acquired from Mexico"

Why did Mississippi write;
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

Why did Georgia write;
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

Why did South Carolina write;
"..the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery."

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Believe what you want and must adhere to I can read and understand the history of the day. Move along.
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Causes Of Secession

Before the Civil War, the country was dividing between North and South. Issues included States Rights and disagreements over tariffs but the greatest divide was on the issue of slavery, which was legal in the South but had gradually been banned by states north of the Mason-Dixon line. As the US acquired new territories in the west, bitter debates erupted over whether or not slavery would be permitted in those territories. Southerners feared it was only a matter of time before the addition of new non-slaveholding states but no new slaveholding states would give control of the government to abolitionists, and the institution of slavery would be outlawed completely. They also resented the notion that a northern industrialist could establish factories, or any other business, in the new territories but agrarian Southern slaveowners could not move into territories where slavery was prohibited because their slaves would then be free .

http://www.historynet.com/secession

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"the greatest divide was on the issue of slavery"

That has been an opinion of some but not all historians that actually follow the trail of crumbs in evidence leading up to the Civil War. Many still consider the act of secession as due to undue uncalled for economic pressures placed artificially by northern law makers upon southern jurisdictions.

And again it was the unacceptable act of secession as seen by the then President Lincoln and Congress that implemented/facilitated the war. Had the US just allowed the release the two nations could have led symbiotic relative trade as is done with Canada or Mexico today.

Sumter would not have been attacked had the North not decided to stake in and hold that fort. With the leaving of the Union the Fort was no longer on USA grounds and useless as to protection of US goods or properties.

And who builds a fortress with weapons pointing inward toward the presumed protected?
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It is the opinion of most historians. It is the only answer that fits the facts.

They feared that new states entering the union would be non-slave and eventually the non-slave majority would abolish slavery. With Lincoln's election, even though he said he would not end slavery where it existed, they knew he opposed it spreading to new states. That's why they seceded right after his election.

Only slavery, which was so economically and socially a part of the South, that fear of losing it could bring about civil war.

So as I said, for the South it was about slavery, for the North it was about holding the Union together.

I think it's important to remember that not all citizens - in the north and south - agreed with what their government was doing. Not all approved of or disapproved of slavery.

It was the wealthy and powerful slave owners that stood to lose so much and were willing to go to extremes to keep it.

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When one says "slavery" that had many different actually implications other than just lack of individual rights for the slaves.

It includes questions like state sovereignty, because it is illegal for the federal government to impose on what is obviously state jurisdiction.
The fact paid for property right was also being threaten, was a concern.
The North was also in the process of attempting to force an economic monopoly on the South through tariffs as well.
The economic destruction of the south was actually the greatest concern.
And second was the fear that since white were actually a small minority, that any attempt to end slavery could result in bloody rioting and anarchy.

It is not that simple as slavery is bad.
There are worse things than that.
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Slavery would have gone down anyway, industrialization. They were forced to join the modern age and leave a culture from long ago.
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And still John you read into my statements what you wish to see, no thanks on adding more to be read into on this post.
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Slavery would have gone down anyway, industrialization. They were forced to join the modern age and leave a culture from long ago.



I don't agree with that, Katie.

Whether running a plantation or a factory, some would have loved using free labor.

In fact if industry could have used slaves, the number of slaves probably would have increased.

And remember, even though slavery was abolished, it took another 100 years for blacks to gain some equality.

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And remember, even though slavery was abolished, it took another 100 years for blacks to gain some equality.



No, it took another 100 years of union busting until all workers had been reduced to a more equal level of slavery.

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