Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churches https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/t1238 Runboard| Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churches en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:32:52 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:32:52 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15520,from=rss#post15520https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15520,from=rss#post15520Katie, exactly the type i detest. We have a huge Pentecostal church in North Little Rock... https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=pentcostal+church+in+north+little+rock+ar+pictures&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004. Keep in mind the members can't wear/own jewelry while the preacher sports a rolex and diamonds. No kidding. Heard it from many a member and visitors. The preacher was fighting for more land a few years back to expand his ministry. Got their own cafeteria, laundry, etc.nondisclosed_email@example.com (msdulittle)Sun, 21 May 2017 20:24:06 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15519,from=rss#post15519https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15519,from=rss#post15519quote:cooter50 wrote: What you present is Tele-evangelism non-denominational and questionable 'Church'. They generally have no Church owned materials. Then who owns that building? Under the law it's a church and the guy on the platform with a microphone is a pastor. [The fact that he's a con artist and the whole thing is a scam doesn't matter.] nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sun, 21 May 2017 20:19:04 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15504,from=rss#post15504https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15504,from=rss#post15504We've got one living right here, Luis Palau, he has had up to an 140,000 member audience. He used to speak at our coliseum The Rose Quarter till after one show, him and his buddies were trashing the audience and staff found hundreds and hundreds of request prayer notes in the garbage as he was leaving in his limo, he is barred from speaking there now.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 21 May 2017 18:36:33 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15500,from=rss#post15500https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15500,from=rss#post15500quote:katie5445 wrote: Can you imagine what they make after passing the plate! LOL...i think i could live on it for a while! Shiftless... that picture is exactly the way i feel about organized religion... nondisclosed_email@example.com (msdulittle)Sun, 21 May 2017 18:22:53 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15499,from=rss#post15499https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15499,from=rss#post15499Can you imagine what they make after passing the plate!nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sun, 21 May 2017 18:18:28 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15494,from=rss#post15494https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15494,from=rss#post15494What you present is Tele-evangelism non-denominational and questionable 'Church'. They generally have no Church owned materials.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 21 May 2017 18:00:02 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15482,from=rss#post15482https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15482,from=rss#post15482nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sun, 21 May 2017 17:33:55 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15473,from=rss#post15473https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15473,from=rss#post15473quote:msdulittle wrote: I'm very pro churches paying taxes. Too many of these store front religions are run by nothing but money hungry crooks that help no one, but themselves. I agree. We live in a society where poor people sometimes lose their homes because they can't pay their real estate tax and we're worried about churches paying taxes because it might have a bad effect on them? I'm not worried at all about that. Tax the crap out of them. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sun, 21 May 2017 17:13:14 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15472,from=rss#post15472https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15472,from=rss#post15472quote:cooter50 wrote: Is it JUST churches or all designated non-profit groups holding property? To do one while ignoring others is biased and discriminatory. Take that one up with Montreal. But I'd expect that if it's only churches there's a Charter case there so I'd expect the city's lawyers would have been all over it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sun, 21 May 2017 17:09:29 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15469,from=rss#post15469https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15469,from=rss#post15469I'm very pro churches paying taxes. Too many of these store front religions are run by nothing but money hungry crooks that help no one, but themselves.nondisclosed_email@example.com (msdulittle)Sun, 21 May 2017 16:54:07 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15463,from=rss#post15463https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15463,from=rss#post15463I'm not suggesting that they deserve tax exemption because of their charitable work. It's important for them to be free of taxation so the government can't influence and control religious activities (one aspect of separation of church and state.) And your dodge only reinforces that you're opposed to churches and want to use taxation to provide the government control over(maybe destroy) religious activities and organizations.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Sun, 21 May 2017 16:26:52 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15462,from=rss#post15462https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15462,from=rss#post15462Is it JUST churches or all designated non-profit groups holding property? To do one while ignoring others is biased and discriminatory.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Sun, 21 May 2017 16:24:38 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15460,from=rss#post15460https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15460,from=rss#post15460quote:gopqed wrote: Why don't you tell us why you're only targeting churches and not all non-profit organizations who enjoy the same tax-exempt status? I think it's because my earlier statement was spot-on. Because this thread is only about taxing churches. And the religious activities of a church (as distinct from the charitable ones) are more akin to those of a social club or sporting league than a non-profit. If you actually click thru to the Secular Policy Institute report you'd see this suggestion: ===================================== For those individuals who argue that religions should receive subsidies because of their charitable work, there is an easy solution for that problem. If religions want to engage in charitable work, they should separate religious activities and finances from their charitable activities and finances. The charities run by religions could be tax-exempt, but the religious organizations would be treated like civic leagues or sports clubs or any other volunteer organization that exists for entertainment or the benefit of its members. Those groups are not tax-exempt and are not subsidized by the government. It is clear that these organizations are not as charitable as the image they project. ================================nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sun, 21 May 2017 16:20:50 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15379,from=rss#post15379https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15379,from=rss#post15379quote:gopqed wrote: The power to tax is the power to destroy. And that's the ultimate goal of many of the proponents of taxing churches. If taxation doesn't destroy poor people whom it sometimes makes homeless, I suspect churches can tolerate it. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Philer)Sat, 20 May 2017 16:11:18 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15377,from=rss#post15377https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15377,from=rss#post15377Why don't you tell us why you're only targeting churches and not all non-profit organizations who enjoy the same tax-exempt status? I think it's because my earlier statement was spot-on.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Sat, 20 May 2017 15:55:00 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15372,from=rss#post15372https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15372,from=rss#post15372quote:gopqed wrote: The power to tax is the power to destroy. And that's the ultimate goal of many of the proponents of taxing churches. So tell us, why should churches get away without paying any taxes while benefiting from the same public services as the rest of the populace? And they do stray into the political realm (fact is, Trump's executive order lets them become even more political).nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sat, 20 May 2017 14:52:40 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15371,from=rss#post15371https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15371,from=rss#post15371{... Jediism (or Jedism[1]) is a philosophy[2] mainly based on the depiction of the Jedi characters in Star Wars media.[3] Jediism attracted public attention in 2001 when a number of people recorded their religion as "Jedi" on national censuses. Jediism is inspired by elements of Star Wars, namely the fictional religion of the Jedi. Early websites dedicated to bringing up a belief system from the Star Wars films were "The Jedi Religion and regulations" and "Jediism". These websites cited the Jedi code, consisting of 21 maxims, as the starting point for a "real Jedi" belief system.[4] The real-world Jediism movement has no founder or central structure.[5] ... Although followers of Jediism acknowledge the influence of Star Wars on their religion, by following the moral and spiritual codes demonstrated by the fictional Jedi,[6] they also insist their path is different from that of the fictional characters and that Jediism does not focus on the myth and fiction found in Star Wars.[7] The Jedi follow the "16 teachings" based on the presentation of the fictional Jedi, such as "Jedi are mindful of the negative emotions which lead to the Dark Side" and "Jedi are guardians of peace and justice".[8] Adherents also follow "21 maxims".[4][9] ...}nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Sat, 20 May 2017 14:49:39 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15370,from=rss#post15370https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15370,from=rss#post15370The power to tax is the power to destroy. And that's the ultimate goal of many of the proponents of taxing churches.nondisclosed_email@example.com (gopqed)Sat, 20 May 2017 14:38:05 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15363,from=rss#post15363https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15363,from=rss#post15363rose, not to worry - the young are turning away from religion in droves. http://kachetiendg.blogspot.com/2016/04/teens-are-fleeing-religion-like-never.html?m=1nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sat, 20 May 2017 11:39:24 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15361,from=rss#post15361https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15361,from=rss#post15361[Be ordained by the slowest growing religion in America.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism Dudeists of the World Unite! Come join the slowest-growing religion in the world – Dudeism. An ancient philosophy that preaches non-preachiness, practices as little as possible, and above all, uh…lost my train of thought there. Anyway, if you’d like to find peace on earth and goodwill, man, we’ll help you get started. Right after a little nap. First, you might want to  Get ordained as a Dudeist priest. There are nearly 450,000 worldwide. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Noserose)Sat, 20 May 2017 11:36:46 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15358,from=rss#post15358https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15358,from=rss#post15358quote:Noserose wrote: All in all why shouldn't they pay taxes? If they can prove they are doing a lot of good for the needy with the money they have they could get some of their tax dollars back. If they were taxed like any other business they'd only pay taxes on their net income (i.e., revenues less expenses) and those expenses would include charitable donations, money spent helping the poor, operating costs (salary, electricity, and the like). And of course, property taxes which everyone else has to pay.nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sat, 20 May 2017 11:10:25 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15357,from=rss#post15357https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15357,from=rss#post15357quote:cooter50 wrote: Really? Does Emerson or GE get release from Property taxes on their parking facilities? Or from paying employees? How is it a church cannot then? Emerson and GE do not get a release [sic] on their property taxes for their parking facilities. What part of "a church doesn't pay income tax" don't you understand? If they don't pay tax on their income they don't have to deduct anything. nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Sat, 20 May 2017 11:07:02 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15334,from=rss#post15334https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15334,from=rss#post15334When Scientology became a religious faith along with a few dozen other so called religions/faiths along the decades, I thought enough was enough. Either that or I'll start a church.nondisclosed_email@example.com (katie5445)Sat, 20 May 2017 01:23:28 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15320,from=rss#post15320https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15320,from=rss#post15320All in all why shouldn't they pay taxes? If they can prove they are doing a lot of good for the needy with the money they have they could get some of their tax dollars back.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Noserose)Fri, 19 May 2017 20:30:44 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15284,from=rss#post15284https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15284,from=rss#post15284Really? Does Emerson or GE get release from Property taxes on their parking facilities? Or from paying employees? How is it a church cannot then?nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 19 May 2017 14:39:14 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15282,from=rss#post15282https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15282,from=rss#post15282quote:cooter50 wrote: As I remember in St. Louis news the RC gets special dispensation for all of the structures and employment expenses as well any materials they use or disperse including gifts are removed from taxability. That is no different from any other business. It's not a "special dispensation" - if it is, please provide a link for that. BTW - you statement that churches "choose not to take potentially dishonest reductions [sic]" makes no sense whatsoever. Churches don't have to pay taxes - they don't file so they don't have to claim any deductions.nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Fri, 19 May 2017 14:33:30 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15280,from=rss#post15280https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15280,from=rss#post15280quote:shiftless2 wrote: quote:cooter50 wrote: It is so sad to see shiftless get the numbers out of context: https://mormonamerican.com/2012/07/23/the-charity-of-the-lds-church/ The church does not classify the moneys spent in other than direct aid as charity where they supply, feed and pay a stipend to those working relief agency actions. There are other aspects. If you read the article that quote came from you'd see that the expenses you're referring to are buried in that 29% "Their study of 271 congregations found an average of 71% of revenues going to ‘operating expenses,’ while help to the poor is somewhere within the remaining 29%" Meanwhile the Red Cross uses 92% of its revenues for physical assistance. IS REPORTED by Red Cross to use 92% for the physical assistance. They claim EVERY deductible expense they can wriggle into and twist to fit UNLIKE some of the churches that choose to NOT take potentially dishonest reductions. As I remember in St. Louis news the RC gets special dispensation for all of the structures and employment expenses as well any materials they use or disperse including gifts are removed from taxability.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Fri, 19 May 2017 14:27:30 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15268,from=rss#post15268https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15268,from=rss#post15268Seems to me that the only tax churches are exempt from that other charities are not, is property tax?nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rigby5)Fri, 19 May 2017 04:07:36 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15206,from=rss#post15206https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15206,from=rss#post15206quote:cooter50 wrote: It is so sad to see shiftless get the numbers out of context: https://mormonamerican.com/2012/07/23/the-charity-of-the-lds-church/ The church does not classify the moneys spent in other than direct aid as charity where they supply, feed and pay a stipend to those working relief agency actions. There are other aspects. If you read the article that quote came from you'd see that the expenses you're referring to are buried in that 29% "Their study of 271 congregations found an average of 71% of revenues going to ‘operating expenses,’ while help to the poor is somewhere within the remaining 29%" Meanwhile the Red Cross uses 92% of its revenues for physical assistance. nondisclosed_email@example.com (shiftless2)Wed, 17 May 2017 23:19:31 +0000 Re: Good News: Montreal Is Taxing Churcheshttps://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15203,from=rss#post15203https://bthepoliticalgrilltwo.runboard.com/p15203,from=rss#post15203It is so sad to see shiftless get the numbers out of context: https://mormonamerican.com/2012/07/23/the-charity-of-the-lds-church/ The church does not classify the moneys spent in other than direct aid as charity where they supply, feed and pay a stipend to those working relief agency actions. There are other aspects.nondisclosed_email@example.com (cooter50)Wed, 17 May 2017 22:45:35 +0000