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By the way we have no more wards because they spread disease. In the UK wards are being constantly closed and patients contaminated and there is no facility that has nurses 20 to 1 patient. Most people gripe they can't get one when needed, most people gripe because nurses don't do what they used to for patients. You also do not get a pacemaker in France for free. My knee replacement cost 60k two years ago, on medicare and with my secondary, I paid $300 out of pocket. Exactly Rigby there is no way around statistics, you might want to check them out sometime.



Nothing you said was true.

Spreading patient out in further separation does not make them healthier, but less healthy because then there is more surface area to clean and disinfect.

I never said 20 nurses to 1 patient. I was referring to all the staff, including those who changed the linens, the doctors, the bookkeepers, etc.

And yes, a friend of mine, Julian Moesic. went back to France in order to get a pacemaker for free. He died about 2 years ago, but the pacemaker kept him alive for about a decade.

And $60k for a knee replacement is highway robbery. Something like $23k is more reasonable.
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"... a friend of mine, Julian Moesic. went back to France in order to get a pacemaker for free."

"Free" is just a code word for "someone else is paying for it".

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Medicare adopted in 1965 is in trouble due to all the additional structures emplaced within it to do more as a social service by the liberal Democrats. You cannot keep stretching systems to gain more value without more input. The later re-designs had visions of socialized health care within it.
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A couple of observations on my part. First -- Rigby, with regard to your observation that nothing Katie says is true , is utter rubbish. Given her lifetime career in health care in both the US and the U.K. I would trust her on health care issues. Your Wikipedia based grasp of the issue? Not so much.

Then as a general observation, there is nothing wrong with the quality of health care in the US. When it comes to both research and practice, the U.S. will take a back seat to no country. The problem the US has is the delivery system of that health care. As well as the seemingly never ending escalation of costs associated with it.

A large segment of the population has access through employer supplied group insurance plans or through Medicare parts A and B augmented by private supplemental insurance, as well as Medicare Part D for prescription drugs. However, even Medicare isn't cheap. My out of pocket expense for Medicare pats B and D, and my supplemental insurance to cover the 20% not covered by Medicare is running me $395 per month. And then we have my wife's contribution to the group health insurance policy at the college is another $350 per month. Plus $200 per month for her supplemental. And then there is another 300 Euros for the private insurance to augment the Italian national health care during those months we are in Italy. Thus we are spending over $1,000 per month to provide the coverage that is supposedly free in two countries. Fortunately we can afford it. However, there are far too many who cannot. It has only been in the past two or phree years that I have begun to have some rather serious health issues. Two years ago I had both knees replaced. And then this past six months I began to have a recurrence of some neurological issues that I have encountered on an intermittent basis for the past 15 years or so. Only this time the were far more severe, effecting both my fine and gross motor skills, as well as a loss of balance etc. fortunately our insurance coverages allowed me to head 98 miles up the road to a small town medical center with soome pretty fair country doctors -- the Mayo Clinic -- where the care and treatment I receive from both the Orthopedic and Neurology departments rivals any to be found anywhere in the world. So the problem in the US is not the quality of health care. It is a lack of an adequate delivery system that provides that quality health care to those who unlike Rebeka and me, cannot afford that health care.

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By the way we have no more wards because they spread disease. In the UK wards are being constantly closed and patients contaminated and there is no facility that has nurses 20 to 1 patient. Most people gripe they can't get one when needed, most people gripe because nurses don't do what they used to for patients. You also do not get a pacemaker in France for free. My knee replacement cost 60k two years ago, on medicare and with my secondary, I paid $300 out of pocket. Exactly Rigby there is no way around statistics, you might want to check them out sometime.



Nothing you said was true.

Spreading patient out in further separation does not make them healthier, but less healthy because then there is more surface area to clean and disinfect.

I never said 20 nurses to 1 patient. I was referring to all the staff, including those who changed the linens, the doctors, the bookkeepers, etc.

And yes, a friend of mine, Julian Moesic. went back to France in order to get a pacemaker for free. He died about 2 years ago, but the pacemaker kept him alive for about a decade.

And $60k for a knee replacement is highway robbery. Something like $23k is more reasonable.



My husband has been in hospital in France and it is not free, unless you have an EU medical card, are a citizen or legal resident of France. France doesn't cover 100% for it's own citizens, unless over retirement age, disabled or have a long term medical illness. The French buy secondaries with the govt. picking up 70%, the rest is on you.
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"... a friend of mine, Julian Moesic. went back to France in order to get a pacemaker for free."

"Free" is just a code word for "someone else is paying for it".




No, he was in his 70's, so he had paid for it.
In fact, he had been trapped and captured at Dien Bien Phu.
He paid his dues.

The point is that risk pooling for things like defense and health care are a function of government. Private, for profit, insurance should only be for voluntary risk taking, like launching rockets into space.
Loyds of London should not be involved in if we get the medical aid we need.
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Rigby, how many times do you have to be told that health insurance, government or private, works on a "claims paid" basis. The premiums collected today are used to pay for today's claims. They are not "banked" for your future use.

Free really does mean "somebody else is paying for it". Your friend's premiums were used to pay for someone else's claims years ago.
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Really need to reviw your figures once in awhile.

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/Downloads/TR2016.pdf

While based on your calculations IF the US were to adopt Single Payer Health system then how will the funding maintain solvency? You condemn all these so-called "Free" systems that are based on payroll or income taxes as incapable of solvency.

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Really need to reviw your figures once in awhile.

https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/ReportsTrustFunds/Downloads/TR2016.pdf

While based on your calculations IF the US were to adopt Single Payer Health system then how will the funding maintain solvency? You condemn all these so-called "Free" systems that are based on payroll or income taxes as incapable of solvency.



It's odd that single payer systems work in most other first world countries but in the US.....
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Isn't it? What is wrong with France's similar to medicare and you still have your secondary from insurance companies.
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