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The death by firearm rate in Switzerland is 0.52

Yes every adult male must by law have a gun in Switzerland - the gun is supplied by the state.

any idea about the ammunition situation?

OK so i'll tell you, they dont have any!
(they used to have 50 rounds but that was stopped in 2013)

but even when they had the ammo was supplied by the state and every round had to be accounted for so if you shot someone being caught was almost a certainty.

Now, if you want to have to account for every round fired I would certainly approve - but if you would prefer to have all the guns your heart desires but no ammo I would definately vote for that also!


BTW Switzerland STILL had a high gun homicide rate by European standards

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you are totally and completely wrong to claim that Jews being armed would have made no difference



entire nation states with armies and heavy artillery fell to the German army to believe that aGerman Jews - however well armed could have held out for more than hours or days is delusional



No tyrant can exist if the population is armed

Yemen is the second most armed country in the world (81 guns per 100 of population) hardly a bastion of democracy

Saudi Arabia is 7th most armed country in the world (35 guns per 100 pop)

Saddam era Iraq was the 8th most armed people in the world (34 guns per 100 pop)

Oman Bahrain and Kuwaite all have about 30 guns per 100 pop (pretty much one for every adult male)

these autocratic regimes seem to manage quite well even though the population is well armed - getting an automatic rifle (usually an AK47) is pretty much a rite of passage.


If you think that an armed civilian population (however well armed) is a match for the army of any nation state your medication needs adjusted!





That is silly.

Rarely do the armed forces represent more than a tiny percentage of the over all population. And armed forces often are the enemy, as they are the elite who can be payed off and help to abuse the general population.

The tiny Warsaw ghetto enclave held out for 2 months.

Yemen is not an example of anything.
It is not a monolithic culture, but many diverse and competing groups, many acting as agents for foreign powers. So there is nothing remotely approaching a single population being taken over by a local tyrant.

I don't know enough about Saudi Arabia, but it seems somewhat free to me, and clearly the Iraqis under Saddam had the most freedom then. The correlation of arms and freedom is obvious. It is only when outsiders control those arms that there are problems, such as in Somalia, Angola, etc.
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I don't know enough about Saudi Arabia, but it seems somewhat free to me



it is an autocracy and the personal fiefdom of the Al Saud family


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chief of state: King and Prime Minister SALMAN bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud


Deputy Prime Minister, and Minister of Defense MUHAMMAD BIN SALMAN bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud


cabinet: Council of Ministers appointed by the monarch every 4 years and includes many royal family members


elections/appointments: none; the monarchy is hereditary

Legislative branch - appointed by monarch

Judicial branch appointed by royal decree


Political parties and leaders: none


(CIA world fact book)


"somewhat free?"



Can you think of a single case where an armed popular rising was successful (unless they had the backing of the army)?

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All the Warsaw ghetto was a holding place for distribution of 400,000-450,000 Jews to camps, more than half to death camps. I would bet the ghetto would have been preferable. S.A. "somewhat free" is a stretch, especially if you are a certain gender, other than straight, Muslim, male and that can be iffy as there is no freedom in religion, press or any communications and punishments for petty crimes are severe.
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And that is why millions and millions of Muslims have immigrated from the ME and Africa, India for decades and I don't mean refugees or immigrants from this century, if you speak with them they have some very good reasons for getting out, Iraqi's and Hussein or the Persians and Khomeini, Gaddafi and Libya and so on they typically were educated with a bit of dosch and you see them all over the USA more recognized in larger cities and especially in European cities and towns to villages, owning small and not so small businesses.
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The death by firearm rate in Switzerland is 0.52

Yes every adult male must by law have a gun in Switzerland - the gun is supplied by the state.

any idea about the ammunition situation?

OK so i'll tell you, they dont have any!
(they used to have 50 rounds but that was stopped in 2013)

but even when they had the ammo was supplied by the state and every round had to be accounted for so if you shot someone being caught was almost a certainty.

Now, if you want to have to account for every round fired I would certainly approve - but if you would prefer to have all the guns your heart desires but no ammo I would definately vote for that also!


BTW Switzerland STILL had a high gun homicide rate by European standards

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Utter nonsense.
Ammunition is easy to buy in Switzerland, and not a single round has to be accounted for.
You just have to prove you have a valid firearm permit.

{...
In order to purchase ammunition the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply to buying guns. The buyer can only buy ammunition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (Art. 15, 16 WG; Art 24 WV):[2][3]

valid official identification or passport (and must be older than 18 and who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and must not be a citizen of the following countries (Art. 12 WV): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania)
residence address
criminal record copy not older than 3 months
weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years
...}
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I don't know enough about Saudi Arabia, but it seems somewhat free to me



it is an autocracy and the personal fiefdom of the Al Saud family


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chief of state: King and Prime Minister SALMAN bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud


Deputy Prime Minister, and Minister of Defense MUHAMMAD BIN SALMAN bin Abd al-Aziz Al Saud


cabinet: Council of Ministers appointed by the monarch every 4 years and includes many royal family members


elections/appointments: none; the monarchy is hereditary

Legislative branch - appointed by monarch

Judicial branch appointed by royal decree


Political parties and leaders: none


(CIA world fact book)


"somewhat free?"



Can you think of a single case where an armed popular rising was successful (unless they had the backing of the army)?




The autocracy in Saudi Arabia is exactly what the people WANT. The government is very popular.

Every single free country was created by armed popular uprising, and most do get the backing of the military as well.
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All the Warsaw ghetto was a holding place for distribution of 400,000-450,000 Jews to camps, more than half to death camps. I would bet the ghetto would have been preferable. S.A. "somewhat free" is a stretch, especially if you are a certain gender, other than straight, Muslim, male and that can be iffy as there is no freedom in religion, press or any communications and punishments for petty crimes are severe.



The point is that with only a few pistols, the Jews in Warsaw held off larger numbers of German soldiers for months. If they had more weapons, they could have held out much longer. And if everyone had weapons and been willing to use them, Germany would quickly have failed.

Whether or not WE like Saudi Arabian government is irrelevant. The point is they do like it.

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And that is why millions and millions of Muslims have immigrated from the ME and Africa, India for decades and I don't mean refugees or immigrants from this century, if you speak with them they have some very good reasons for getting out, Iraqi's and Hussein or the Persians and Khomeini, Gaddafi and Libya and so on they typically were educated with a bit of dosch and you see them all over the USA more recognized in larger cities and especially in European cities and towns to villages, owning small and not so small businesses.



That is silly.
The reason people from the Mideast come to the US is because the Mideast is part of the US colonial empire, and they are just following their money.
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I have been told differently from those who have fled, so I think I'm gonna take their word over yours.
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