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While as far as I am aware UK, Ireland Police are now more armed than not



basically only in London, and in airports will you routinely see armed police.

As your link says routine armed patrols was tried in Inverness (Inverness for goodness sake, one of the safest places in the country!) it was not liked and was strongly resisted and the practice was stopped.

Usually even armed police do not carry their guns on their person, the guns are stored in the police car until armed response is authorised



If the police in London are carrying, it must be in the car cause it's not on their person and I believe that is limited to certain individuals.
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Katie most police (even in London) arent armed but there are more armed police in London than else where and some of them do openly carry - The Mayor warned Londerers not to be alarmed at the increased numbers of armed police on the streets and was misquoated by trump so that it sounded like they shouldnt be alarmed by the terror attacks.

Outside of Northern Ireland (where all police are armed both on and off duty)the only place I have seen armed police is in airports

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It's no different than with people. There are men that are big and strong and could easily kill someone with their bare hands, but they can be kind to others. And there are those that are small, weaker and murderers.




I dont think that it is quite that simple.
Most dogs have been breed for generations for a specific purpose and certain behaviours are literally in their DNA. No matter how hard you try to train a Collie it will always try to herd (sheep, ducks, children whatever is available) a greyhound will always want to chase, a beagle will always want to follw a scent and a terrier (of whatever hue)will always want to attack prey. APBT were bred to attack other dogs.

If you have a large dog with an innate propensity to attack unless the control is absolute you have a very dangerous animal on your hands.




I don't agree. Yes, the results can be different if one trains a Pekingese or a Doberman to be an attack dog. But any dog, especially when starting as a pup, can be trained to behave in certain ways.

Pit Bulls were not originally bred to be attack dogs.


American Pit Bull Terrier

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a companion and family dog breed. Originally bred to “bait” bulls, the breed evolved into all-around farm dogs, and later moved into the house to become “nanny dogs” because they were so gentle around children. Their tenacity, gameness, and courage make them popular competitors in the sports of weight pulling, agility, and obedience competition.
http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/american-pit-bull-terrier#/slide/1

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Dogs have been so trained to be completely dependent upon humans, that it is an absolute betrayal to then shoot them for no reason, since they are so easily controlled verbally.

Police these days routinely shoot all dogs before a raid, and anyone doing that is such a monster that they are obviously a clear and present danger to decent society.

Dogs are like children, in that we created them so they are our responsibility, and anyone who abuses that trust is truly a defective monster.

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Rigby you have absolutely no reason to believe that that is true. I showed you a video of two APBT dogs "locked on" no amout of verbal instruction would have moved them, pepper spray didnt move them and beating them with a stick wouldnt move them.

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Now you are just being silly


John I could give links to an opposing view of APBT but suffice to say that some of the stuff in your link is demonstrably untrue - it is likely that no APBT was ever used in the sport of bull baiting which was outlawed almsot a century before the invention of the breed.
The APBT was bred as a fighting dog and it is that at which it excels

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Now there are two things we know as women, we will not go to Rigby's house for dinner nor allowed him babysit our kids. emoticon
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since they are so easily controlled verbally



Rigby you have absolutely no reason to believe that that is true. I showed you a video of two APBT dogs "locked on" no amout of verbal instruction would have moved them, pepper spray didnt move them and beating them with a stick wouldnt move them.

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Dogs are like children


Now you are just being silly


John I could give links to an opposing view of APBT but suffice to say that some of the stuff in your link is demonstrably untrue - it is likely that no APBT was ever used in the sport of bull baiting which was outlawed almsot a century before the invention of the breed.
The APBT was bred as a fighting dog and it is that at which it excels



Mais...your knowledge of dog behavior is limited.


Your video shows what people intervening and shouting can cause them to do. Fight more. emoticon

I have an old pit bull and he doesn't attack the other dogs. We've had him since he was 6 weeks old. They do learn verbal commands.(all dogs) They are like children and do learn to do what you expect them to do.(train them to do) There are no truly bad dogs. There are many bad owners.
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Dogs have been so trained to be completely dependent upon humans, that it is an absolute betrayal to then shoot them for no reason, since they are so easily controlled verbally.

Police these days routinely shoot all dogs before a raid, and anyone doing that is such a monster that they are obviously a clear and present danger to decent society.

Dogs are like children, in that we created them so they are our responsibility, and anyone who abuses that trust is truly a defective monster.



I agree. Sad really that so many have such bad owners. emoticon
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There are bad owners but how do you explain the attacks by those who are excellent owners and how often it happens to those nice persons. Excusing it all to bad owners is an untruth.
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There are bad owners but how do you explain the attacks by those who are excellent owners and how often it happens to those nice persons. Excusing it all to bad owners is an untruth.



There are very FEW good owners.
For example, dogs are extremely social, so likely should not be alone in a single dog family. But I would bet most dog are alone.

I am not even a dog expert, but can easily tell most dogs are being abused to some degree.
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